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So every "we" in 1 John refers to unbelievers? That doesn't sound right. Besides, I don't take any church official as the standard of truth. Do you really think that on Pentecost John understood in one fell swoop everything it means to be a Christian, the new creation, their righteousness in...

What about all the "we" in 1 John? I still don't see where there is a distinction between immature and mature fruit. If that is true, then all Christians would at some point have been liars and walk in darkness until they grew up. That makes no sense. Where the Apostles liars and walking in...

I see now. It all makes sense. But how do you know that everything I say is not true? What's the standard for determining truth? Maybe I'm part of your relationship journey and you should give heed to what I say. How would you know? It's obvious you are a seeker of the truth. In light of your...

Your reply seems as though you are prejudiced against me. You seem to stick with one statement while ignoring the many times I self corrected that statement. But I suppose it best that I correct it in the OP. I'll do it right now. I'll let the scriptures be my last response. 1Cor 4:3-5, 3 But...

OK. A bit nit-picky, but valid as fart as it goes. Yes, there is seed and there is incorruptible seed. In that regard you are in complete agreement with 1 Peter 1:23, as well as myself. I mean, I'm the one who brought it up in the first place, so clearly I acknowledge it. I believe I also...

I did understand your reference to fruit of the spirit, but I fail to see anything that makes a distinction between immature and mature fruit there. I can certainly see the difference between a Christian being immature or mature, but I was wondering about the immature fruit you mentioned. All I...

Perhaps Paul wasn't in the group of Pharisees Jesus was talking to that day? Actually he could not have been there that day, since as you say, he did get born again by God's incorruptible seed. There is nothing in scripture to indicate all Pharisees are children of the devil. Paul must have been...

Would you mind terribly going over every verse in 1 John 1 and tell me who each "we" refers to and why. For example, I don't think the "we" in verse 1 can possibly mean all human beings. It looks like it means the folks who personally witnessed the events of Jesus' life, i.e., the Apostles. I...

Honestly, I don't know where you get those ideas in the scriptures. I mean, where does it talk about immature fruit? Sin unto death, the proverbial "unforgivable" sin? Jesus said the Pharisees were of their father, the devil (John 8:44). In other words, he told them they were of the devil's...

Got it. Still, it must be his sentiment also, else he would not have quoted it. BTW, what's the difference between the "we" in verses 6, 7, & 8 in 1 John 1? Grammatically, I don't see the difference. I don't see where the subject of the pronoun changed between those verses. To whom does the...

No, you did not hurt my feelings. Not a bit. As I said, I'll be judged by Jesus when the time comes. Being a non-trinitarian and a monotheist (in the truest sense of the word as per 1 C0r 8:6, which leaves no room for anybody being God but the Father) for some 40 years now, I've been called...

While I appreciate your efforts in unification, I think they may be misplaced. Here is a small sample of things Jim B said to me. Then clearly you don't understand Scripture! What compels you to be a "wise guy"? Good, then stop preaching!!! What flaw in your personality has you convinced that...

No. I was not comparing you to the devil. I was comparing what you said to the devil. Huge difference. Unless you think people never say the wrong thing, it must be conceded that sometimes we do. When would that be? When we say anything that is not what God said. That does not make any of us to...

Well, there is the anonymity of the internet. It makes people say things they'd never say in person. Still, I'd think Christians (myself included) ought to be above all of that. Maybe it's expecting too much. In any case...I go a preaching! Thanks.

Forgive me for belaboring the point, but Acts sure seems to say that power comes with holy spirit, not two different things, which I think is what you are saying. Acts 1:5-8, 5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence. 6 When they...

Someone told me to stop preaching. I pointed out where God says just the opposite. So telling me to stop preaching is a lie. It doesn't make the one who spoke those words the devil any any way shape of form. However, it does mean that what they said is something that the devil would say because...

Thanks. But to try and clarify, in my mind I think what you said is something the devil would say. I don't see that at all as comparing you, the person, Jim B, to the devil. What you say and what you are, are two different things in my mind. I have little doubt that at times I slip up and say...

I'm not fighting anyone. Read my post #434 to Jim B. That's my sincere feeling about him and everybody else here, yourself very much included. I'm just trying to talk scriptures. Multiple times now I've begged people to stop the pointless personal attacks and stick with the scriptures...

I didn't compare you to the devil. I would never do that. People tell me all the time I'm going to burn in hell, die in my sins, or whatever, but I'd never say such a thing to a brother of sister. I simply pointed out what you said sounds like something the devil would say, and I firmly stand by...

So until Jesus was baptized, he had holy spirit but no power? I'm just asking. Not saying you're wrong. Acts 1:8, But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the...