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Well, that kind of leaves no one. :) Well, as long as you define 'ethnicity' the way God does, which is neither Jew nor Gentile, but just those whom He elects and calls, then... okay. :) Agreed. Not even God can/will change His mind, plan, or will. :) This... is a jumble of contradictory...

Israel, Timtofly, was what God renamed Jacob, in Genesis 32. The "man" whom Jacob wrestled with "until the breaking of day" was God, and God, finally, in Genesis 32:28, said to Jacob, "Your name shall no longer be called Jacob, but Israel, for you have striven with God and with men, and have...

:) Okay... Yes, absolutely. But it's not "simple" ~ or wooden ~ as you would have it. Let me ask you, Marks, regarding Revelation 7, do you see John speaking of two different groups of people there (verses 1-8, as opposed to verses 9-17)? Because... no. :) To expound a bit: It is the...

Okay, but you are, so you don't realize it. Right, dispensational ones. :) If you'd like me to say, rather, "You're making the same arguments based on these passages that a dispensationalist would make," well, then fine, there you go. :) No, that's actually what you are saying. :) Yeah...

Ohhhh... you are. :) Maybe you don't realize it, but... you are. :) The only thing I'm "discounting" ~ discrediting, actually ~ are your (dispensational) arguments, Marks. Right, but you discount what the writer of Hebrews says about God having spoken to our fathers long ago, but through...

I'm preaching to the choir, here, I realize, but what Peter says in 1 Peter 2:9 is astonishing, and would have been absolutely shocking to his Jewish hearers. He was speaking to Gentiles using God's exact words through Moses in Exodus 19, just after He brought them out of Egypt and slavery...

No, his point is that some/many who did not descend from Israel are of Israel, even though those who are ethnic Jews will be jealous, which is finally what Paul says in Romans 11, that "...salvation has come to the Gentiles, so as to make Israel jealous... if their trespass means riches for the...

LOL!!!!! LOL!!!! Oh, my. Grace and peace to you, Marks.

The Gentiles are grafted in, Marks. And the unbelieving Jews who come to believe will be regrafted in. That's... exactly what we're trying to get you to do... :) Well, Paul, in Romans 9:6, does say, "not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel..." Hard to argue with that, but do...

LOL! Is this what you understand me to be saying, Marks? Really? Goodness gracious. No... Nope. If you're stuck in ethnicities, which you seem to be, then you have to use them all and say there are a multitude of groups of people whom God chose. :) But that's kinda silly. God has one...

Of what you say? No... :) Ah, no, the Noah's ark, Rebuilder, is a type/shadow of Christ. Yes, the Old Testament is filled with types and shadows of Christ, and sometimes these types/shadows are inanimate objects (the ark, the rock Moses struck with his staff, the bronze serpent in the...

Exactly. Well, the ones who are alive today. But there are many saints (believers) who "have gone before," in the words of that great hymn, For All the Saints." Believers who were of God's Israel even long before Jesus was born 2000-plus years ago. I think you agree, but this is what it...

Neither Covenantee nor I disagree with what you say, here, Marks. The problem is your understanding ~ or misunderstanding ~ regarding who the children of Jacob are... who are included as children of Jacob. Yet again, in the words of the author of Hebrews, "Long ago, at many times and in many...

No... but it is what it is. The bible has several different genres within it, and apocalyptic literature is one of them. As opposed to history, poetry, and wisdom literature, which we see in various places in Scripture also. It is what it is, and reading it as a Dick and Jane first grade...

Wholeheartedly agreed. But, Marks, ultimately, His promises are not nearly so small as many understand them and/or make them out to be. Not all of them, no. :) That's just it. "Simple." That's really at least kind of the problem. Grace and peace to you.

LOL! I'm not even sure what this means, but okay. Well, I'm not included in either grouping, here, Marks. And your second group is just a false characterization, really. And I'm asserting that both are one and the same. To not get that, to believe otherwise, is to be in error. Again, "Long...

Well, we'll see... :) Not really, no. :) LOL! Well of course! Goodness gracious. Do you think you're answering my question, Marks? Or are you avoiding it? I agree with what you say here, but wouldn't anybody? Nope. That is, though, the way it often gets characterized...

With all due respect, Marks, this is a non-answer. You still have not answered my question. Grace and peace to you.

You didn't answer my question... Yes, he's speaking to His Israel, His chosen nation, but, again, who is Israel? Maybe you're answering in some really roundabout way... :) You might notice the passage from Hebrews 1 that I have quoted in my signature below... :) Grace and peace to you.

I would strongly disagree. As I said above... well, I'll just quote Paul in 2 Corinthians 1:20 ~ "For all the promises of God find their Yes in (Christ Jesus). That is why it is through Him that we utter our Amen to God for his glory." Regarding Hebrews 10, that God "negated" the method of...