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    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    Cephas is another name for Peter (John 1:40-42)....Paul was referring to the foremost apostles. Again, not in an official way, just that in any group some will naturally emerge as leaders and that is often in an unspoken way. And leadership God's way is not about superiority, it's about...
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    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    Amen. Agree with this sister.....I'm not on board with the bad attitude that some are repeatedly showing around here.
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    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    Very much agree. Here I'm not sure to be honest....I wonder if Satan was the ruling principality (prince) of this world who then fell. So he had power/authority on a certain level..........but Jesus, after His death and resurrection in defeating/conquering the devil, essentially took the rule...
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    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    Excuse me for butting in again, but wasn't it Jesus who said what does it profit to gain the whole world but lose one's own soul? Outer darkness is not a good place to be....it means outside of heaven, aka, LOST....as in PERISH.
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    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    I'm afraid this theology is rebuilding the partition between Jew and Gentile that Jesus tore down. And anyone is much mistaken if they think His kingdom is of this world or ever will be. We truly need to get a hold of this truth that Jesus spoke...."My kingdom is not of this world that you may...
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    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    I dont' know much about Star Wars, lol, but agree with the rest. This is all leading to Jerusalem and a new temple there, and the cult like delusion that will emanate from there....I believe it is and will be spiritual warfare of the highest level so to speak. We all need to beware, sober and...
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    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    Figure of speech, yes. But if Peter was the most prominent or chiefest apostle of the 12, he might in a way also represent them all. But also there's no denying that Jesus called him by his new name, which means rock or stone. I agree those verses are not enough to go on by themselves, just...
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    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    I quoted it a little while back, but you probably aren't following every post on this thread....I know I'm not. Here it is again: Eph 2:19-20 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; And are built upon the foundation...
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    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    Yes, but we mustn't forget also the scripture that says the apostles and prophets are the foundation with Jesus being the chief cornerstone of it. I don't know Greek well enough to say for sure, but I suspect there was a bit of both being alluded to by Jesus in a play on words and speaking in...
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    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    No titles, I certainly agree......and all are to consider others as greater than themselves.....God's ways are not man's ways. But Peter was written about more than the other apostles and Paul did make a reference to "the chiefest of apostles", so some were more prominent than others I think it...
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    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    Sister I don't want to overload you, as you're juggling more than one conversation. But we need to face reality.....this is why Paul was so heavy in his heart about his nation....realizing that not all of them would be saved. I know how he felt when I was coming to that same realization, and...
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    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    Sister, with scripture we're told we need to be comparing spiritual with spiritual. And remember Jesus said His kingdom is not of this world. And 2 Peter 3 says this world will burn up at the return of Christ and we look for new heavens and new earth. In 1 Cor. 15 it says Jesus hands the...
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    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    Eph 2:11-15 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the...
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    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    We mustn't be too "logical" and literal about everything. Back in Genesis, being figures for Christ and the church, it speaks of Adam and Eve this way.....his bride/wife is bone of His bone and flesh of his flesh...hence the bride is his body also. The church is Christ's body and He is the...
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    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    Amen. What or who was Peter without Jesus? And what is the church without Jesus? It is Jesus working in and through his servants and His church. Just my thoughts, but myself I wonder if the rock in that verse, expressed as both petros and petra in the Greek, was a play on words. Peter was...
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    Mary as New Eve

    That's what happens when religious men are beguiled, like the serpent beguiled Eve, away from the simplicity of Christ..........it produces a lot of complications and confusion....aka Babel....Mystery Babylon. (And I gather that the Pharisees and religious leaders of Jesus' day were doing much...
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    Mary as New Eve

    Feel free to ignore me if you wish. Isn't it the Holy Spirit who leads us into all truth...?...I find it to be true. And that way GOD gets the glory as well. Couple of scriptures to help keep us humble......."If we think we know we do not yet know as we ought" and "Where there is knowledge...
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    Mary as New Eve

    oh dear, lol. Does God only reveal truth to scholars and intellectuals? Scripture says the natural man cannot perceive the things of God, they must be spiritually discerned.....and the carnal mind is enmity with Him. His strength is made perfect in our weakness, not in our strength.
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    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    Jesus was speaking to His disciples at the time, but it was written down for all our (the whole church's) edification.
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    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    Yes, it's the one and same gospel for Jew and Gentile, but Paul had more revelation at first, that the Gentiles could be included in the gospel just the same as the Jews.