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  1. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    Well, as far as I can tell, your are claiming to be free from sin. I have to think I misunderstand you on that score, but I'm not 100% sure you are in fact claiming to be free from sin in the flesh. Galatians goes to great lengths to tell born again Christians they are walking after the flesh...
  2. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    Do I understand you to say that you no longer have flesh and therefore never sin?
  3. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    If you want, check out a new post, "Pentecost - the upper room or temple?" in the Bible Study Forum.
  4. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    I just can't get past 1 Cor 12:7-10 where tongues is called a manifestation. I still don't see it called a manifested gift. Are you being obtuse because you don't see it the way I do? Why am I obtuse but you're not? Could it not be we just see it in different ways? And why am I the one lacking...
  5. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    I usually get called on the carpet for using sarcasm in these forums, so I thought that was the custom. Now I know we can use it. Good. I think it can be an effective tool of grammar when used correctly. I'm not sure saying someone is thin skinned is simply sarcasm, but I'll take your word for...
  6. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    Well, if you don't struggle with sin, if you automatically walk in accord with the spirit, I wish I were you! :) But, as my mom used to say, "If wishes were horses, beggars would be writing." I think you actually struggle with the old sin nature as much as Paul struggled with it. Better to say...
  7. Rich R

    Pentecost - upper room or temple?

    There are two different camps in Christendom when it comes to where the events of Pentecost transpired. Some say the upper room and others the temple. The fact is, there is no verse that explicitly says it took place in either one. Acts 2:1, And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they...
  8. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    Rom 7:25, I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin. This summary of Romans 7 shows Paul, very much born again, nonetheless struggled with the old nature. I think it unfathomable that born again folks...
  9. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    The Gospels are still OT and deal with the Jews. Jesus told the women who wanted healing that he only came for Israel (Matt 15;24). At that time the Gentiles were still without God and without hope (Eph 2:12). Given that the Gospels took place before Pentecost, there was as yet no Church of the...
  10. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    I think it fair to say Paul was very much a Christian. Verses 22 & 23 sure seem to say Paul had two natures, one spiritual and another flesh, warring within. And why would God tell us to put off the old and put on the new if all we had was the new? Eph 4:22-24, 22 That ye put off concerning...
  11. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    2Pet 1:3, According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that [pertain] unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue: This says that a knowledge of God is all we for life and godliness. The question becomes, where do we get that...
  12. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    While your picture did show me that the upper room was bigger that I still think the temple complex of some 35 acres would have been the more likely place to hold multi You totally misunderstand me. You inspired me to think about this with more attention than I've honestly thought about the...
  13. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    Well, the scriptures do say they contain everything that pertains to life and godliness (2 Peter 1:3). Everything is everything. It's all we need to know to life a life of godliness. Nothing more necessary, at least if we believe what Peter said. I do. In whatever language it's written. It...
  14. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    What did I say that led you to believe I didn't think they were in Jerusalem? I quoted Luke who said in no uncertain terms that they returned to Jerusalem. I agree with Luke. I also agree with Luke that they were continually in the temple. I have no reason to question Luke. After all, he was...
  15. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    Luke 24:52-53, 52 And they worshipped him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy: 53 And were continually in the temple, praising and blessing God. Amen.
  16. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    Did you consider that being the hour of prayer, they were in the temple? You're absolutely sure they were in the upper room? Luke 24:52-53, 52 And they worshipped him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy: 53 And were continually in the temple, praising and blessing God. Amen.
  17. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    The age old question. Romans chapter 7 answers that question quite readily. Also, we all see through a dark glass at this time. None of us know it all. We all know in part, but only when Jesus comes back in glory will we finally know ourselves as God knows us. This is a big part of the reason we...
  18. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    Good point. The fact is, we don't have anything actually penned by Moses, Isiah, Paul, or any other of the other's whom God inspired to write. However, as I'm fairly certain you know, there are ways to at least get pretty darn close to what they wrote by studying the various snippets we have of...
  19. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    Well God gave us standing order via Paul, 1 Cor 14:5, I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater [is] he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying. Paul thought tongues was important...
  20. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    120 people in the upper room is a bit dubious. It was the hour of prayer, so wouldn't it make more sense that they were in the temple, where there was room for a huge crowd, about 3,000 at least? That's how people from all over the known world have heard them. Only the temple had the room...