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  1. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    #169
  2. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    How about some substance? Using scripture, can you show me where I'm using eisegesis? Who were the eleven to whom Jesus appeared, keep in mind that Thomas was not one of them?
  3. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    Well aren't you special!
  4. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    Matthew doesn't explicitly say Judas hung himself right away. Luke 24:33, And they rose up the same hour, and returned to Jerusalem, and found the eleven gathered together, and them that were with them, John 20:24, But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus...
  5. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    So you are telling me that YOU have a better understanding of scripture? OK.
  6. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    I think you have a good teacher!
  7. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    I'm so sorry. I didn't realize I ignored you. It was certainly not my intention. If you would be so kind as to refer me to the post I didn't answer, I'll rectify the situation real pronto like!
  8. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    Jesus was a perfect image of Yahweh in every way. It's a hard act to follow for sure, but we keep trying. I know very few who understand that Jesus was tortured for 40 hours. We're you ever involved with the Way Biblical Research & Teaching Ministry or one of it's later offshoots? Those are the...
  9. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    So this is your last post, yet another completely lacking any substance? Perfect! Your "God bless" rings very hollow with me. I think we've not even come close to a "polite conversation." I think every post you've written to me mentions something I know or think when you have no idea about what...
  10. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    Context. The charisma of 1 Cor 7:7, 12:4, 12:9, 12:28, and 12:30. That's my final answer! If it's not the right answer, you tell me what is. :)
  11. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    I'm not Pentecostal. Just using the standard Bible teaching. What version are you using that has the word "category" in 1 Cor 12? Other than smug little barbs, what are you doing?
  12. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    See post #102.
  13. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    Exactly! Jesus was perfectly willing to endue Judas with the same power from on high as he did all the others. What love! But it just stands to reason he'd have forgiven Judas considering he asked his Father to forgive the folks who hung him on the cross. In general, tradition really does go a...
  14. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    Sorry. I wasn't avoiding your question. I'm just a bit overwhelmed here. Anyway, to answer your question as to what gifts Paul was talking about in 1 Cor 14:1, I'd have to say he wasn't talking about gifts at all. 1Cor 14:1, Follow after charity, and desire spiritual [gifts], but rather that...
  15. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    Well if John 20:22 is when the apostles received holy spirit, poor Thomas missed out (John 20:24). I think Jesus was actually instructing the Apostles for what was to come, i.e., the actual baptism in holy spirit. Acts 2:33, Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received...
  16. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    Honestly, I don't see why agreeing with the obvious meaning of 1 Corinthians 12:7-10 constitutes "word games" but that's just me. I respect that in your eyes I'm playing word games. But given you've replied more than once to my word games, I assume you are still wiling to hear what I say, be...
  17. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    I was thinking of 1 Cor 12:7-10. Verse seven brings up the spiritual matter of manifestations and the next three verses lists the manifestations one of which is tongues. In the end, everything we have from God is a gift. I realize that. However one of the gifts God gave us is holy spirit. The...
  18. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    We don't know if that preacher might be in even more trouble if he didn't speak in tongues. 1 Cor 13:1, Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become [as] sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. It says the person speaking without love becomes a...
  19. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    Context, context, context!
  20. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    I was thinking of this: Ps 12:6, The words of the LORD [are] pure words: [as] silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. I think that with that has a ton of meaning. We ought to be careful what we call things. If God says something is a gift, then we ought to call it a gift. If...