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Our redemption required the sacrifice of a lamb without blemish as per the Passover. Jesus is called our Passover, so he was he true lamb without blemish. Heb 4:15, For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as...

Essentially you are offering proof that the logos is Jesus by saying that the logos is Jesus. No different than saying, "up is down because up is down." Why not find out what the logos really is?

Obtuse? Which of these propositions you just mentioned have I denied or not spoken to? The only thing I've said that you disagree with is that Jesus is not God. I've offered many verses that would preclude him from being so. Every now and then I may get a direct, albeit weak, answer to my...

I think you are saying God was greater only during his earthly life. I'm not sure where you see that in the scriptures, but we'll let it go. But let's look to the actual scriptures, leaving tradition aside. Would someone being the head of someone else be considered as equal? How about someone...

We can't use John 1:14 to say the logos is Jesus by simply saying the logos is Jesus. That is essentially how this verse is used as a proof for the trinity. The logos is not Jesus unless you want to make him the Father as per John 17:3 and 1 Cor 8:6, both declaring the Father to be the only true...

Well, Paul was saying a husband and wife are like Christ and the church. Your assertion: Christ is God Christ is the church The church is God At least, that's what I think you are saying. In any case, every morning there are two lumps in the mattress when my wife and I get up. Maybe we're...

God emptied Himself of deity? He no longer had deity, but He did have it? Communism is down on logic also. I don't mean to be a wise guy, but you're just not making any sense. I think you're just winging it without really thinking about what you're saying. I love you as a brother, but you just...

I get that, but what I asked was, "you have no problem with Jesus being the Father?"

If I did, it was an oversight. Eph 1:4, According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: Again, a simple innocent oversight. John 17:3, And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true...

No hijinks. I can't quote the whole Bible, you know. You and I are actually in complete agreement on this. That's wonderful! Forgive me for putting you in a box. Most who believe Jesus is God use Phil 2:6 as a "proof" verse, so I assumed you were doing that also. We have been granted the power...

How is "I AND the Father" the same as your addition, "you and I are the same person?" You've completely ignored the meaning of "and" in both the first clause and the second, while adding a completely foreign phrase to what Jesus said. But then again, you seem to have no trouble redefining the...

Well, I think John actually said the logos was made flesh. Understanding the logos involves much more than hearing it is Jesus in pre-incarnate form from some pulpit and just running with it. It requires some amount of independent research and study. But it can be known. I trust you also...

True as far as you went, but he went on to identify exactly who the true God is, namely the Father. By sheer logic, if Jesus is God, and only the Father is God, then Jesus is the Father. It's got nothing to do with my personal view. Easy to say, harder to prove. Nobody is saying the Son is the...

John 14:21, He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. When you talk about your father, as Jesus did here (my Father), do people understand you to be saying...

How can you explain a son being his own father? You can't. That's the whole point. But we can ignore, the many clear verses that would make it quite impossible for Jesus to be God (such as the 2 in the OP), and just accept that which defies all the normal meaig of simple words, phrases, and...

John 17:3, And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. Who is the "thee" that is the only true God? Who was Jesus talking to when he said this? John 17:1, These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said...

I know all those verses. Most say nothing about Jesus being God. However, if taken with a liberal amount of liberty in word meaning and grammar, they could be squeezed into saying Jesus is God, but then they would be contradicting what Jesus said in John 17:3 and what Paul said in 1 Cor 18:6. We...

It's my personal view that Jesus himself said the Father is the one God in John 18:3? It's also my personal view that Paul said the Father is the true God in 1 Cor 8:6? Sorry, but I didn't write the scriptures. If these verses upset your view of Jesus being God, talk to God. He's the one who...

Seriously, you have no problem with Jesus being the Father?

John 14:23 uses the pronouns "we" and "our" which normally means two people. Why does it mean one person here? I trust you know Jesus also said we are all one in he and his Father. John 17:21, That they all may be one; as thou, Father, [art] in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in...