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  1. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Gal 3:1-3, 1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? 2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3 Are...
  2. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    You don't have to leave me alone. I know my sins and I thank God for forgiving me and cleansing me from all unrighteousness when I confess them to Him (1 John 1:3). 1 Cor 4:3-5, 3 But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged of you, or of man's judgment: yea, I judge not mine...
  3. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Well, there is this, Gal 3:1-3, 1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? 2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the...
  4. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    No. God is the epitome of logic. John 1:1 even says straight out that, "...and the word (logos, logic) was God." Seems logical enough to me. :) The Gnostics were great at elevating spiritualism above logic. One had to abandon logic and be "initiated into the mysteries" to understand God.
  5. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    I never heard that "Geez" is using God's name in vain. I always took it as a shortened "Gee whiz," but thanks for pointing out the speck in my eye. While the ten commandments were written to Israel and not the church, we can still learn from them (Romans 15:4). Maybe I get a bit snarky...
  6. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    1) Only the Father is God 2) Jesus is not the Father 3) Jesus is not God Where's the break in logic there? Changing #3 to "Jesus is God" is pretty much the epitome of illogical. Therefore (being logical :)), one must abandon logic to say Jesus is God. Do you not see the irony of John 1 using...
  7. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    I see what you are saying, but my perception of myself does not negate how God sees me. I, like Jesus, trust His doctrine and will over my own. If He says I'm as righteous as He is, them that's what I confess. No caveats required nor introduced. Rom 3:21-22, 21 But now the righteousness of God...
  8. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    I absolutely agree with you about context, but how would the context change the simple statement that only the Father is God? If anything, the overall context that Jesus is the son of God (never called God the Son), would indicate that Jesus is not the Father and therefore not the true God. Of...
  9. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Well, I never see "God the Son" in the scriptures, but I understand you to be saying that Jesus is the son, not the Father. Both Paul and Jesus himself, said that the Father is the only true God. How then is the son God? That's quite a leap to say that God sending Jesus implies Jesus is God...
  10. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    With the exception of John the Baptist, God did give holy spirit by measure to certain folks before Pentecost. After Pentecost it is Christ in us (Col 1:27) without any indication that it is only part of Christ. So either not all of the Godhead dwelt in Christ, or not all of Christ dwells in...
  11. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    According to the original Greek, John 1:14 actually says, "...and the word tabernacled in us..." In the OT God first tabernacled in a tent. Later He tabernacled in the Temple. Now He tabernacles in us. God always promised He'd do that. As you pointed out, John declared the Word was God. No need...
  12. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    No ridicule. Both Colossians are simple statements. You seem to say one is yes/no, while the other is yes. I think it's a totally valid question to ask; how do you determine the yes/no verses from the yes verses? We do have Christ in us and God dwelt in Christ. That's right now. Now I would say...
  13. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Colossians 1:27 is yes and no? How about John 3:16? How do you determine which is which?
  14. Rich R

    Who is Jesus to a Non-Trinitarian?

    Jesus is YHWH: I think that's what you are saying. YHWH is the Father: That's what the scriptures say. If both are true, then Jesus is the Father?
  15. Rich R

    Who is Jesus to a Non-Trinitarian?

    You correctly quote Romans 10:9-13 and then proceed to add to it what's not really there.
  16. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Well, Col 1:27 plainly says Christ is in us. If, as you correctly said, the Godhead dwells fully in Christ, then how is the Godhead not in us?
  17. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Solid piece of research there! As you alluded, some verses in and of themselves can be translated in different ways. However if one of those ways cause contradictions with straight forward, simple verses, then they must be eliminated. Obviously we can't have contradictions. It is poor...
  18. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    What can't I see? A son being his own Father? Let's see about that. The Collaborative International Dictionary of English: "Father" - One who has begotten a child, whether son or daughter; a generator; a male parent "Son" - A male child; the male issue, or offspring, of a parent, father or...
  19. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    If that's all it takes to be God, then we are all Christ! Col 1:27, To whom God would make known what [is] the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: God in Christ is not the same as God is Christ. Otherwise everything in our...
  20. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Isa 9:6, For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. "..his name shall be called..." is decidedly different than "...he shall...