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Concordances are fantastic. That's what I was referring to by "studies of the Semitic languages." Archaeology... what they dig up doesn't change, it's just the conclusions that are drawn from it, and as a whole archaeology is VERY slow to change viewpoints, to the point that is sometimes a...

I don't know. The Bible seems to have some conflicting information on this subject. I lean towards Annihilation.

The truth is the truth regardless of where one finds it. The Bible is NOT that easy to understand. Why not take all the help you can get? There isn't a sensible reason to disregard archaeology, or the study of the Semitic languages, or of recorded history. These should inform our...

You should believe the Bible. I have made SO many references to the Bible here. But perhaps you should not put quite so much faith in the traditions of the Jews as regards the interpretation of the Bible. I started this thread hoping for a dialogue about Genesis where traditional...

Oh! I think it may have been at one point. The Edomites were big into mining copper and smelting bronze... they may have created the world's biggest slag pit in the middle of their nation... Archaeological report on Edomite Slag pits Also, the weather there is literal hell-on-earth. The...

I did in other posts here. The main reference is Exodus 18, but it also pulls in other verses in Exodus and Judges 1.

Midian is a nation, and there are tribes within Midian. Archaeology shows this (source: Midian, Moab and Edom (Sawyer)). The Bible repeatedly mentions people as being "Midianites" but then calls them by a different tribal name (as happens here). The Kenites are ethnically Edomites. Genesis...

I don't see anything here that contradicts what was said. ???

Ok, I'll try not to belabor the point. Here are the ideas: Moses compiled Genesis from older material. That material likely came to him through the Edomites/Kenites/Midianites, rather than the Israelites. This point cannot be proven, but its more than speculation - it finds support in...

Seems we agree there. If there were another plausible interpretation, would you be willing to consider it? Or is this too foundational to your faith for such a discussion to take place?

I live in Phoenix. I don't go near The Zone nowadays, the crime in the area makes it unwise, particularly after dark. Some of that crime stems from the homeless, but a larger part of it is just where it's located within the city. Phoenix has a few neighborhoods where the police basically...

Honestly, neither of those statements requires that every word was written by Moses. Moses is allowed to use source material.

The nationality of Jethro and his descendants is a little confusing. They're referred to as Kenites, Midianites, and Cushites (Num 12) in different places, and Reuel is also listed as a son of Esau (Gen 36). Either the Bible is wrong about some of this, or there is some way that all of these...

Abraham begat Isaac begat Esau begat Eliphaz begat Kenaz... who is the father of the Kenites. So Abraham precedes the Kenites by a few generations. The Bible says Abraham is from Ur, and while we're not completely sure which Ur (there are at least two cities named Ur), they are both a long...

Ok, I think maybe I understand what you're getting at now. Are you saying that this would make the genealogy in Matthew wrong? If so, that... isn't a problem for me. The genealogy in Matthew is already wrong... well, either Matthew or Luke must be unfactual, because they give different...

I don't have much to argue with here, but I also don't understand why you're saying this right here, right now?

Have you ever heard of Euhemerism? It's when a myth has a basis in history. Kind of what I would expect from history that had been orally transmitted for a while. So anyway, if most of Genesis comes from the Edomites and Kenites... the names Adam & Cain look an awful lot like the names Edom &...

I'm pretty sure that isn't in the Bible. Are you getting that from somewhere else? You're putting too much into the word "now" in this verse. Jethro had been a priest of God for many years before this. I think if you look at the word "know" closely, you'll find that the Hebrew has this as...

Jethro wasn't a Midianite. He was a Kenite, and because he was a priest he was living among the Midianites. Kind of like how the priests of Judah were actually Levites rather than Jews...

They were called kohen from the beginning, which is usually translated priest. In the Bible, his descendants join the invasion of the Promised Land, where they are singled out for their bravery and awarded important cities in Judea as their portion among the Israelites inheritance. Also, when...