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Yeah, I agree--because if someone falls away none of these things was ever said of them.

The person becomes in a category of having never been saved--those who have faith continue in it.

Ezekiel 18:24 presents a dynamic which is at play today--but, today, "faith is counted as righteousness", so when He forgets righteousness today He forgets the person ever had faith at all, so they were never saved, whereas the saved never lose salvation.

Not sure how this is relevant--what I meant was if God forgot righteousness then, He still forgets it today. Do you believe God forgets righteousness?

LOL Ro 14:23 says if you do something you doubt is correct you are CONDEMNED. Why do you deny that? There are SOOOO many points to address, but I fear it will be a fruitless endeavor--and I don't think you need to know this. Some things are better left unsaid and unknown. Like they say...

How? LOL There's no other way to make sense of the data. There are verses that speak of falling away, and there are verses that speak of never falling away. The only way to affirm both is to affirm God forgets righteousness--and, in the meantime, we trust God's attitude and Promises for the...

Isn't it great!? hlf

Remember Paul says "I was abundant in labors above them all yet not I but the grace with me". It doesn't mean we don't have labors because it is grace/God's righteousness; the REASON I have gone about to make the distinction is to defend against the accusation that telling Christians they will...

In Ezekiel 18:24 it says God forgets righteousness just like He forgets sin. In the New Covenant, faith is counted as righteousness. If God forgets you ever had faith, then you never had faith--just as the sins are removed as far away as the East is from the West, so, also, the memory of the...

My point was telling someone they'll be condemned, not justified, if they walk in doubt, contrary to their convictions (Ro 1:17, 14:5, 23) doesn't appear to contradict "grace not works", bc "works" is what emanates from flesh (Ro 8:3), but "grace" and "faith" emanate from God. Two completely...

Yes, those who fall away have the grace of faith removed. It is God's kindness that we are even GRANTED to believe. It is not common material that just anyone can have. It is God. There are degrees of falling away, but if someone falls away irretrievably, their faith counted as righteousness is...

When Joshua the priest was in filthy garments, and Satan stood there to accuse him, and the clothes were taken away and replaced, did that signify God took his body away? The two garments are two different consciences, it seems.

Since those who fall away from the faith are counted as having never been saved (their faith counted as righteousness is forgotten (Ez 18:24), their names blotted out of the Book of Life), in a way, those who have the faith never fall away, but continue on with the believers (1 Jn 2:19), which...

Sorry, I am a man. I do not know why you would have concluded I was a lady. God is good to me, and I have given Him endless trouble, but He is merciful, and I am getting along now I think thanks to the prayers of you all. You really do, but I know the discussion will never reach its conclusion...

It's safe for me to be "limited" to what Scripture says--Grace is Grace. There may be different manifestations of Grace--healing, prophesying, teaching, etc--but they're all the same Spirit of Grace. To be safe, to be orderly, I try to stick to Scriptural language--and I would endanger my...

I don't read "supported by great grace" in Scripture, so I, personally, would not use it--I only read "under Grace", so I say we are "under Grace" (and this is used in contrast to being "under Law"--if you're seeking to serve Him, you're either under Grace or under Law as the means of service)...

1. Thank you for citing. 2. "Works of the flesh" are listed in Gal 5 (adultery, etc); I did not say faith was or was not "works of the flesh". I think you're trying to clarify the issue for me? 1. I have to disagree that there is no condemnation for those who do not walk in the spirit (Ro...

It'd be easier to understand your point with a little context--please cite what someone has said and respond to it.

Yeah, I agree. He is already in Christ by obeying the command to believe, proven by God having given him the Spirit, and he will abide in Christ as he continues in faith by both believing the Gospel and walking in faith (Ro 8:1, 14:5,23; 1 Jn 3:23,24).

@mailmandan Walking in God's righteousness, by God's working in us and our corresponding walking in conviction (Ro 1:17, 14:5, 23), brings attention and glory to the God we love and want to share with the world ("let your light so shine that men see your good works and glorify your father in...