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It has to be discussed, bc of the wording in Scripture. The wording in Scripture makes the issue difficult, bc, as Peter warns, many things Paul says are difficult to understand. In Romans, it appears Paul distinguishes between a righteousness of one's own, which has its correspondence when he...

The reason I said we have to distinguish between works/a righteousness of our own and walking in faith/God's righteousness is bc people want to deny our behavior can affect our standing before God, bc they say "not works"--but I'm not saying "works", I'm saying "God's righteousness ".

It sounds like we're saying a similar point using different words.

See, you're acknowledging that we are justified by God's righteousness before the Day of judgment, but I am saying that we are expected to continue in God's righteousness, or else, if that righteousness is not there, because we're not continuing in faith, it won't be there to justify us on the...

OK In part, I agree, but if justification isn't also an issue on the Day of Judgment, why does Romans 2 says only doers of the Law will be justified on the Day of Judgment?

I'm always striving to understand Christianity better--that's the reason I started this thread! LOL 1. I have asserted that Christians who do not walk in faith are not remaining in God's righteousness, and will not be justified at the Judgment (Ro 2:6-16). Did you disagree with that? 2. I have...

Yeah, the discussion is on "Justification by Works", and the need to distinguish between "God's righteousness" we walk in by faith, and why and how it is that it is not "a righteousness of my own" aka "works". If there is a Christian who is a murderer, he is not abiding in God's righteousness...

Romans 1 17For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, “BUT THE RIGHTEOUS man SHALL LIVE BY FAITH.” Romans 14 5One person regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind. ... 23But he...

The way to bring clarity to the issue is to focus on the heart of the issue : we are not justified by a righteousness of our own (works), but by God's righteousness (grace and faith), and the life we live after having been proven sinners while seeking to be justified by God's righteousness, is...

Yep, every act of obedience men do in the Gospel, including the first act of repenting from sins and turning to God (Ro 2:4Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance?), is an act of God, not "a...

Yes, "For, being ignorant of the righteousness of God, and seeking to establish their own, they did not submit to God’s righteousness." Ro 10:3 They're still trying to prove they are good so God will accept them because they're good, instead of submitting to God's righteousness whereby they...

Yes, and the first obedience of faith, whereby we ourselves are found sinners, is admitting we have sinned, and going to Him as sinners to be reconciled to Him to know Him by His righteousness in forgiving. All of God's righteousness is by grace through faith, and all of it glorifies God as...

Yeah cause my own righteousness goes toward proving/establishing my own goodness and acceptability and praiseworthiness, whereas Paul says "But if, while seeking to be justified in Christ, we ourselves have also been found sinners [not good--like the tax collector Lk 18]," regarding God's...

Paul says "doers of the Law" will be justified, and repaid eternal life, and then cites Gentile believers as "doers of the Law" (Ro 2:6-16, 26, 27); those who serve not in the oldness of the Letter of the Law but in newness of the Spirit of Grace fulfill the righteous requirement of the Law (Ro...

Yeah, if you obey, that's God's righteousness; if not, that's your own unrighteousness (even if it is "righteousness of your own"). Anything that is not of faith is sin, and you're condemned for sinning, but whatever is of faith is God/God's righteousness/grace, not you/your righteousness/works...

Yep, the Jews were "saved" from slavery by the blood of lambs at Passover, but, afterward, became "reprobate" because of sin--Paul says the same could happen to him and all Christians (1 Co 9:27-10:11), despite having already been "saved" by the blood of Christ "our Passover Lamb".

Please clarify your point.

I stand by my arguments.

"Believe" is a "command", but it is not a "command" of the Law, so, no, "believing" cannot be a "work" of the Law, it is just how grace saves--if you want to disagree, again, it renders Paul incoherent when he contrasts "works" and "faith" (Ro 3:27, 4:4,5), which "righteousness of faith" is...

The Law never said "believe in Christ", it said "do this good thing, don't do that bad thing" (as it is "the knowledge of good and evil"), so "faith in Christ" doesn't fall under the category of a "work" of the Law--and, again, to this point, Paul distinguishes between "faith" and "works", so...