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  1. GracePeace

    Justified by Works

    It is more clear to say men are justified by God's righteousness (grace and faith), not their own righteousness (works)--this explains how the Christian, who had already been justified by having God's righteousness can have his justfication compromised, be condemned, if he doesn't continue in...
  2. GracePeace

    Justified by Works

    1. In a sense, this is incorrect, and, in another sense, it is correct. In both Mt 25 and in Mat 18, cases where salvation is "lost", the one who "loses" salvation is not paying attention to what has been done for them--so, because they are not walking in the faith given to them, not bearing...
  3. GracePeace

    Justified by Works

    Yes, and people misunderstand Paul, as Peter says, and they come up with all this confusing incoherent arguments that are nonsense.
  4. GracePeace

    Justified by Works

    Yes, this is why I am saying that WALKING IN FAITH is God's righteousness, thus it does not qualify as a "work" (a righteousness of my own).
  5. GracePeace

    Justified by Works

    They were not wrong to think they had to keep the Law, but they were wrong in thinking that they COULD, because the Law was a "test" to see if men would be HONEST about their condition of slavery to sin, or whether they would hypocritically condemn others for not keeping the Law while they...
  6. GracePeace

    Justified by Works

    Yes, we are justified by God's righteousness now, and, yet, there must be an ongoing assessment, or else the one who does what he does not believe could not be "condemned" (Ro 14:23), and there would be no talk of justification at the upcoming judgment (Ro 2:6-16). We also already can know have...
  7. GracePeace

    Justified by Works

    This discussion is aimed at people who say "I am saved by faith alone, and my behavior after I am saved cannot change that, because Paul says I am saved by faith alone, not works." They are misreading Paul. This is why I say it is easier to understand the argument in Romans if we see that Paul...
  8. GracePeace

    Justified by Works

    The wording I am using is mainly for people who wrangle about Paul, and misunderstand Paul--I'm simply arguing that when men walk in faith, and are justified at the judgment for so doing (Ro 2), that is not a man justifying himself by his works, because those are not "works" in the sense Paul is...
  9. GracePeace

    Justified by Works

    The Law is not dead, it was never alive. Philippians 3 "not having a righteousness of my own", "Moses writes this about the righteousness that is by the law: “The person who does these things will live by them.” Yes, there is a righteousness from the Law men strive for--they are wrong for...
  10. GracePeace

    Justified by Works

    I'm saying it works the same way throughout the life of a Christian--God's grace works, then men walk in it by faith. From Ro 3:21-4, it refers to God's righteousness--in Ro 4, it says God is "just" (which means "righteous") and the justifier of the one who believes in Christ. Ro 1:17, 3:21...
  11. GracePeace

    Justified by Works

    @GodsGrace Look at the title of the thread, and read the OP--and, really, everything I've said--from start to finish, I've said men need to not only have faith but also walk in faith. If you think otherwise, you're confused , though you've said we shouldn't be.
  12. GracePeace

    Justified by Works

    "Our own righteousness" refers to righteousness that we generate, as I've clarified the Law relies on flesh (Ro 8:3; Gal 3:3; Heb 8:7, 8). Philippians 3 9and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ,a the righteousness from God on...
  13. GracePeace

    Justified by Works

    Yep, "works" means "a righteousness of my own from the Law", including commands like "do not covet" (Ro 7:7), and, as I've clarified over and over, he teaches men to both have faith and walk in faith, which is not one's own righteousness, but God's (Ro 1:17, 14:5, 23).
  14. GracePeace

    Justified by Works

    I had thought I had clarified it, but I'll just make a quick statement that may help : when people repent, it is because God's grace led them to repent (Ro 2), and when they repent and believe, that is counted as God's righteousness (Ro 4), so, yes, the men repented and believed, yet it was not...
  15. GracePeace

    Justified by Works

    It's OK. If you don't find the conversation helpful, you don't need to venture in to it. I think you're already walking in God's righteousness, not your own, by sticking with your convictions (Ro 1:17, 14:5, 23). There's no need to get involved in the discussion because it may not help you...
  16. GracePeace

    Justified by Works

    I think you're already walking in God's righteousness by the fact that you are walking in your convictions (Ro 14:5,23). These distinctions are only important for people who are reading very closely and who are wondering what the requirements are because Paul says salvation is by faith not...
  17. GracePeace

    Justified by Works

    1. Matthew 25 shows a lazy servant from whom God strips the "measure of faith" He had sowed into him--God was working, but the servant was lazy. 2. I don't know a single Christian who says they refuse to be baptized, they only disagree on what baptism actually does. Cornelius only believed, and...
  18. GracePeace

    Justified by Works

    Or God is working but they're not obeying (Pp 2:12,13). Well to be fair they still baptized they just disagree on what it does.
  19. GracePeace

    Justified by Works

    A while ago, I would get a lot of challenges to what I'd claim. I get to the point, with some people, where I notice there is no reasoning with them (they want to hold to what ever they hold, no matter what Scriptural challenge that would make any honest person curious at their own arguments'...
  20. GracePeace

    Justified by Works

    In order for Romans to make sense, it needs to be re-framed around justification by "a righteousness of my own" or "God's righteousness"--"faith or works" (to which "a righteousness of my own" and "God's righteousness" correspond) debates miss the point Paul was making, and result in empty...