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You did not address the topic I raised of Jesus making statements that were NOT parables. Therefore, this makes your response a red herring.

And I demonstrated to you that the Catechism came AFTER Scripture, thus making it a secondary, and not a primary, document. :confused:

You're erecting a straw man.

Let's read the context of Mark 4:30-34 (NIV): 30 Again he said, “What shall we say the kingdom of God is like, or what parable shall we use to describe it? 31 It is like a mustard seed, which is the smallest of all seeds on earth. 32 Yet when planted, it grows and becomes the largest of all...

There was no intended defensiveness in what I wrote. I found your comment to be over the top, even an hyperbole.

I'm not. You are the one who said you didn't understand unconditional election and I sought to share some information about it. I would never force any theological system on anyone, and certainly not Calvinism. You seem to have misunderstood what I wrote. Oz

Jun2u, Your interpretation of Matt 14:27-31 is found nowhere in the text. It is invented by you and imposed on the text through your allegorical interpretation.

You didn't explain what I asked of Scott: What is 'complete in God'? Let's wait for Scott's response as he was the one who used that language.

You are speaking esoteric language, i.e. abstract, puzzling language. Oz

Please, please understand what I wrote. I'm not writing about election and its conflict with evangelism, but unconditional election and its hindrance to evangelism. I believe the Bible teaches election of Christians to salvation, but not unconditional election. Perhaps you need to understand...

You could easily find the meaning of Calvinistic Unconditional Election by doing a Google search. I've done it for you and here's a statement from CalvinistCorner: Unconditional Election: God does not base His election on anything He sees in the individual. He chooses the elect according to...

Yes, he told us to evangelise, but that conflicts with unconditional election, causing me to ask: Is unconditional election taught in the Bible? I'm not convinced.

So you do believe in unconditional election You wrote: 'I am being clear, so why shouldn't you understand me'. Clarity of communication is based on the hearer's or reader's understanding and how that matches your intention in what you wrote. I would have thought that a better approach would...

How do you know that? Has this student of Scripture, now aged 85, only 'just scratched the surface' of understanding Scripture? I'd be wary of making the kind of statement you have made here.

Jun2u, You have back quoted perfectly.

Scott, What does 'complete in God' mean? You stated: 'Or we can join God and see things as they truly are, meaning: timeless, just as God is timeless'. We have an inability to see things as timeless because we are beings created in time. What doctrine are you trying to convince us about? Oz

Scott, Not once did you address Unconditional Election and Irresistible Grace as they applied to evangelism. I don't know how you can say you addressed by 'specific post' when you avoided key facts in my post. I don't appreciate it when you say you were addressing the points when you weren't. Oz

Scott, As GodsGrace has stated, your post here is quite convoluted, i.e. complex and difficult to follow. I want to pick up a few of your points to show that some of the difficulty is your theology that is biblically questionable. 'Therefore, just as God is "I am", we too are what and who we...

Scott, You haven't addressed the points I raised. You've changed the topic, which makes your response an Avoiding the Issue Fallacy. This happens when a person responds to an argument by not addressing the points of the argument. Oz

Stranger, What's the point of evangelism if Unconditional Election is true? As a Presbyterian Minister told me when I asked about the lack of evangelism in his church (I preached occasionally in that church), he said: 'God will bring them in'. No, we are told to 'Go and make disciples....'(Matt...