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You are attempting to distract me by changing the subject... I presented scripture that clearly states the Christ pre-existed...and even added to my cause. Lets stay on topic here. Look at the quote...it is speaking of the baptism into Moses... You are building a straw man...

Are you saying I believe a literal rock was tumbling after those who passed under the cloud? I can see your difficulties discerning the scriptures... Christ is the spiritual drink, the living water...and He followed them. Your worldview will not allow you to discern the truth. Christ...

1 For I do not want you to be unaware, brethren, that our fathers were all under the cloud and all passed through the sea; 2 and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea; 3 and all ate the same spiritual food; 4 and all drank the same spiritual drink, for they were drinking...

It is the flesh that became, not God's Word. Jesus is eternal. Can you deny that God's Word preexisted the incarnation? As a man is his word, yet all men being liars, so is God His Word, although God cannot lie. Man will not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the...

Simple...God's Word pre-existed all creation. God's Word was the acting force in all of creation. Jesus is the Word of God. Let Us make him in Our image... In origin Jesus' divinity is eternal.

In Rev 14 the 144,000 are all Jews... No Christians in heaven? I believe your little flock theory is as wrong as your little god theory... I apologize to the OP but my response allows me some relief to heresy...

John 5:18-24 18 For this reason therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, because He not only was breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God. 19 Therefore Jesus answered and was saying to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, the...

Okay, lets head this off here. This is not a discussion on Calvinism or predestination. My entire premise is that God knows who is going to heaven and who is not. (He is omniscient) This knowledge in no way makes God evil. Those who do not accept the Savior are accountable for their own...

1Peter 1:20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you, Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world...

Simple observation in Christ's divinity and scripture... John 2:19 19 Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.” Please note Jesus' reference to who is doing the raising... Acts 2:24 24 “But God raised Him up again, putting an end to the agony of...

God is incapable of doing evil...I agree. What you are attempting to convey is God's ability to know the future is limited. This is false, hence we have prophesy. He who knows the end from the beginning knows all. Lets slow this down a bit... Are you capable of judging God at all? Are you...

I appreciate your response...I have been very busy lately, and so has this thread. I will attempt to respond to this post later.

Still none of this is relevant to the OP... :blink:

No rational needed...only scripture. Luke 1 30 The angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary; for you have found favor with God. 31 “And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall name Him Jesus. 32 “He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High; and...

This states nothing against Jesus being King now... And in such, what is your insinuation?

In this you have only portrayed Jesus' humanity. This in no way devalues the premise that Jesus is God. The denial of the Triune Godhead stands on an either/or mentality, whereas the scriptures reveal a both/and truth. By this I mean it is either the divinity or humanity of the Christ that...

What about it? Please explain further...

4 Who has ascended into heaven and descended? Who has gathered the wind in His fists? Who has wrapped the waters in His garment? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is His name or His son’s name? Surely you know! I believe surely you do know even if you suppress it; it is...

I am coming late to this discussion, I apologize if I am re-admitting information. 1. I am aware of of your interpretation of the Psalm, I disagree. I will show in further scriptures where the language is favorable to my interpretation. 2.The flesh of Jesus did come into existence, hence His...

You are using human rational in an attempt to understand an all knowing, all powerful, ever present being. You have erred in your assumption that all knowing equates to being evil. God is not to be mocked, and His plan is in full effect always, and it will not be thwarted. You have decided to...