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Is there no room for obedience based solely on God's authority? Not for the benefits thereof, like salvation, but obedience simply because God said so?

Yep, that's way over board.

I would refer you to post #6. Paradise, heaven, the throne of the Father, the new Jerusalem, are all in the same place. And Jesus went there but not until after the resurrection and after he had spoken to Mary, and before he spoke to Thomas. He didn't go anywhere else. He was dead.

All made up. Some truth, some nonsense.

Mmm. Indeed they did. Vance, Mussolini, and Hitler all Catholic. Trump, Jesuit trained despite his claim to be Presbyterian.

If Jesus went anywhere at all while dead according to the scriptures, the other sides argument may be tenable. On the third day, He said to Mary, I am not yet ascended to My Father. Paradise is in heaven where the Father's throne is. “He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith...

Yes, which is why I restricted my post to just 3 points... My church's historic position on the Trinity.... my reluctance to change my nomenclature as to being a Christian, for the simple reason as I said, I fully accept the deity and divinity of Jesus as the Son of God. Which is not dependent...

Certainly Jesus and the Father knew well beforehand what was to befall Jesus during His time here. Including the cross. Hence why it was prophecied by David and Isaiah and numerous others. Yes, they knew, and He came anyway. Such love!!! But that doesn't mean God planned it that way as if all...

I'm a Christian. There are a few biblical suggestions that denying the name of Christ before men... Well, I'm sure you know the rest. Just not comfortable with saying I'm of another faith other than Christian. I am a Seventh Day Adventist. There are not a few here who would suggest any change in...

Sin and rebellion started in heaven. It was not God's plan. What else was God to do with Lucifer after he threatened to take over the government of heaven if not to give him the opportunity to first prove his rebellion and arguments were worthy? Where better to test his arguments with a race...

It's likely not really funny being ostracized from family, but I gotta laugh... Politics in the US is soooooo parochial.

"Everlasting destruction" is a great portion of a supporting text for my post #270. Thank you for helping me substantiate my point. I would love to hear your explanation as to how a everlasting destruction is the equivalent to being alive. Even more so, how everlasting destruction is an ongoing...

Eternal life I accept. Eternal punishment... Death...I accept. Eternal torment or continuous punishing, I reject.

Seriously?

The punishment as ordained and set by God is the all important concept you need to grapple with. Yet you continue to recreate the English language to sit your arguments. What is it exactly in the above verse that is eternal. Punishment right? And what is that punishment? It is death. It is not...

Such sweeping generalisations were an entrenched tactic from the left in order to create a mindset of intolerance and animosity. That mindset, despite all the evidence to the contrary, has painted Trump as a caricature quite distant from reality. And that picture persists and will persist as a...

Agree. However, the fact that none of us could claim to have attained to such perfection, or should we make such a claim even if we think we have attained, doesn't render the promises of God void. "I can do all things through Christ Who strengthens me". "With man this is impossible. With God...

Again, you refuse to actually engage in conversation but resort to meaningless one liners. Can you answer the questions posed please.

I think it was clear I was only talking about those in heaven, answering the question, will all those in heaven be "Christians". What I said... Was not an apologetic for universalism, but let us not underestimate the grace of God. All those who will ultimately be saved will be so solely because...

What is to be noted is that Jack hasn't plucked up enough courage to admit himself that Sodom isn't still burning. For him, the scripture “Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth...