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The original what? Apostle???????????????????????

Good grief, man, IT WAS A PROPHECY that he would be replaced! Don't you believe in the FULFILLMENT of PROPHECY??????????????????? You can't have a name in heaven that has BEEN FORGOTTEN and wiped from our minds! Besides Judas laid no foundation in the Church

Scripture already answered WHY Judas was no longer "numbered." Read my post #41 where I cited it for you. Don't you believe scripture???? You can't have a name in heaven the has BEEN FORGOTTEN.

The apostles knew the answer would be no, that is why they endeavored to get a new 12th member. Acts 1: 20 “For it is written in the Book of Psalms: ‘Let his dwelling place be desolate, And let no one live in it’; and, ‘Let another take his office.’ What I meant was that there were solid...

There are good arguments for both Matthias and Paul. They are both apostles along with Barnabas and probably Apollos. If it is something I need to know, I'm sure God will tell me. If not, I'll just wait and read it on the layers.

Ya, it sure is a mystery. Why didn't Luke make it more clear.

I understand what you are saying, and I agreed for as long as I've been alive. But that was because I always considered casting lots as pagan. Now that I know that it is not, I'm not as sure. All I can do is NOT bad mouth Mathias any longer. I guess I'll just wait and read the layers for myself...

We have missionaries don't we? Those are apostles. There are more apostles than just the first 12, but it was important to have at least the first 12 to start off the Church, just like the 12 tribes of Israel, even though there were more (Joseph),

The twelve in Revelation have Matthias as the 12th, I believe. I always thought it would have been Paul because Jesus, Himself, chose him in a vision. But casting lots before the Lord was legal before the Day of Pentecost. Also, Matthias knew Jesus before he died. Paul didn't.

Why did you call him a heretic. That is shameful. Don't you know that only those who eat from the Tree of Life will live or be in torment forever? Satan and his angels all have had access to the Tree of Life, but unbelieving humans don't. The lake of fire for humans is called "the second death."...

Of course it is. But hell was NOT created for people, but for Satan and His angels who all had had access to the Tree of Life. What unsaved person that you think should suffer forever had access to the Tree of Life?

What is also interesting is the Paul is the one who told Luke the history. Paul's personality is one of sort of competing with the other apostles and Luke would have worded it in the light of an error if it should have been Paul as the 12th. Just an observation...

Okay, it is like for us our death is the end - "and then comes the judgment." But what I was referring to is the title of this OP Also, no purgatory ;)

All apostles are from Jesus, so that isn't anything to be pompous about. That includes Mathias, Paul, Barnabas and Apollos, plus who knows how many more. Maybe even today seeing as the Church is far from unity of the faith. Ephesians 4: And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets...

I've always thought that "casting lots" was a pagan thing seeing as the Roman soldiers cast lots for the robe of Jesus, but just now I looked up "cast lots" and a lot of scriptures came up in the Old Testament about casting lots before the Lord! So I guess Mathias is one of the official 12...

What? Don't you know we will all have access to the Tree of Life in heaven? God took the Garden to heaven. Abraham and all the OT saints rose when Jesus did, and Jesus took them all the heaven with him when He ascended.

Same with Barnabas. He is also mentioned as an apostle. I imagine also Apollos.

Yes, I doubt that Peter heard the voice of God telling him to choose another apostle by gambling. It is interesting that only the facts were given in the account and nothing about the will of God.

David, before their resurrection to be cast into the lake of fire, the unbelievers when they die are in "outer darkness." Whereas, the believers spirit goes back to the Father until the time of their resurrection. But when they are cast into the lake of fire and destroyed, only the smoke of...

The apostles knew the answer would be no, that is why they endeavored to get a new 12th member. Acts 1: 20 “For it is written in the Book of Psalms: ‘Let his dwelling place be desolate, And let no one live in it’; and, ‘Let another take his office.’