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  1. Brakelite

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    There is only one Jesus. His existence as a person doesn't consist of parts... part of Him human, part divine. The Son of God, the one in Whom the fullness of the Godhead dwelt, is all wrapped up in one person, Who chose to live without resorting to His divine power in order to bolster His...
  2. Brakelite

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    If the above statement was the basis for the development of doctrine in your church, it is not surprising that we are in such a mess with a Roman church that over several centuries dived into deep apostasy and having to use force in order to establish itself. Tradition, rumour, and...
  3. Brakelite

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    My issue isn't with what God calls His children. My issue is how the Jews reacted to Jesus claim of Sonship, calling it blasphemy. Why would they do that if they didn't recognise that Jesus was claiming His Father as father in the highest sense of the word? Not adopted as we are... not...
  4. Brakelite

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    In nearly every post now, you are demonstrating your unbelief in scripture. “For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; ” John 5:26 KJV https://www.unfeignedbible.app/John.5.26 “17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life...
  5. Brakelite

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Now that is very revealing. The Jewish rulers also considered themselves sons of God, which is why they reacted so strongly against Christ when He claimed God as His Father, calling it blasphemy. Are you agreeing with them now?
  6. Brakelite

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Jesus said unto them...
  7. Brakelite

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    You keep raising arguments... Jesus is not God because, etc etc etc. Yet you actually deny the very thing that is the greatest evidence of His deity and divinity...His Sonship of God. “42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God...
  8. Brakelite

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Mmm. Verse 8. Provided Himself as the Lamb.
  9. Brakelite

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    The ceremonies that pointed forward to Christ, the rituals and priesthood and sacrifices etc, were all presented to Moses and Israel as a more detailed and formal presentation of the gospel that existed from the time Adam first fell. The reason? As a system of healing, forgiveness, and...
  10. Brakelite

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    No, I don't know that at all. I fully understand, likely more than you, He was the fulfillment of all the prophecies and types in the OT, but why couldn't the Son of God Who had a radical change in nature by becoming human, accomplish all that as a human being, living by faith as our example...
  11. Brakelite

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Question. If Jesus wasn't a Son until Bethlehem, what was He? The following are all excerpts from that same conversation, therefore are all from the same context... Who is Christ? “42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God...
  12. Brakelite

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Yep, and it's hot too. 32C.
  13. Brakelite

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    The view in question is often built upon a misconception of a single text, Revelation 3:14: "And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write, These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God." This is wrongly interpreted to mean that...
  14. Brakelite

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Sorry your wife is poorly bro, God bless you both, that she may heal and that you may rest.
  15. Brakelite

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    For the Lord is our judge, the Lord is our lawgiver, the Lord is our king; he will save us." Isaiah 33:22. We have now to consider Christ in another character, yet not another. It is one that naturally results from His position as Creator, for the One who creates must certainly have authority to...
  16. Brakelite

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Continued from above... One more statement concerning Christ as Creator must suffice. It is the testimony of the Father Himself. In the first chapter of Hebrews, we read that God has spoken to us by His Son; that He said of Him, "Let all the angels of God worship him" that of the angels He...
  17. Brakelite

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Christ is our Creator, as testified by the holy Spirit through His prophets... Immediately following the oft-quoted text which says that Christ, the Word, is God, we read that "all things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made." John 1:3. Comment cannot make this...
  18. Brakelite

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Who's Spirit spoke to men and women through the prophets?
  19. Brakelite

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    If the Son is God, because He is the Son of God, then the Lord God walked with Adam and eve in the garden. Is not Jesus Lord?
  20. Brakelite

    I believe in the Trinity and Rapture differently!

    @rockytopva Agree with your historicist church hermeneutic. A challenge. Take a look at the seals, the trumpets, and Matthew 24 and with a little thought, will discover the same order and similar time periods.