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Soooo the Waldenses were this “invisible” church you speak of with bishops and overseers? Curious Mary

Lol….OK!!! That means you are not familiar with the NT passages that talk about the men that rule over your spiritual life and that we are to obey them… thank you for your time

Ok….They weren’t invisible. That means they left some trace of their existence. Based on your theory I will accept your version of Christian history. With that said: Can you share any of the historical writings from these “mission focused“ “bishops/overseers“?

I agree…..You have no authority. You dodged the question about finding a single passage in the NT that says that other men, men of The Church, ruling over you…..

This invisible church theory that you you teach; When and how did they decide what letters were to be in our NT Scripture? Curious Mary

Hey Matthew, So is it fair to say that you place your faith in YOU and YOUR authority when it comes to how one obtains salvation? You can’t find a single passage in the NT that says that other men, men of The Church, rule over you? Unstable men twisting Scripture? Mary

Ummm….Your response makes no sense. Not sure how astronauts and taxi drivers have anything to do with bishops spoken of in the Bible; but i guess YOU have made that connection. Have you ever talked to a Protestant that has left their denomination? Soooooo what’s your point? According to YOU...

You imagine incorrectly kiddo. There was no truth in your statement. The leaders of the churches (what you call congregations) were not "like a Bishop". They were bishops.....Just like scripture calls them. Now I know you want to play this word game that they can't be called "bishop" because...

You crack me up Grailhunter....

Oh goodness Grailhunter......Ok.....soooo according to you we can't call the men that were the overseers of churches "bishops" until the English language comes into play over 1,000 years later.....soooooo we can't call them "bishops" even though a "bishop" and an "overseer" are THE SAME...

WHO did Constantine command to “assemble” at the Council of Nicaea? There was already a Pope at that time with bishops and priests under him. Wasn’t there?

Thank you for your response. In Ignatius’s Letter to the Smyrnaeans, he writes: Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. That shows that there was a established “Catholic Church” with...

Yup, that is true and what I said Hey Grailhunter, Did you know that the first usage of the word “Catholic” to describe the Christians that were members of The Church is in a letter from Ignatius of Antioch and was written around the year 107AD??? The Roman authorities were killing...

Yup, that is true. WE AGREE.....

Thank you for agreeing with me Jim B and taking up my side against @amigo de christo when I said "It was not the Catholic Church that took up arms"!!! You pretty much REPEATED WHAT I SAID......:vgood: THE FACT IS: The Church DIDN'T HAVE ANY ARMIES therefore they could not take up arms.......;)

You crack me up.....You are ignorant of your own Christian history and Scripture. It was not the Catholic Church that took up arms. It was knights, counts and commoners! Sooo you got that wrong..... You would have been imprisoned by 'simply preaching the true gospel to them'. Then the true...

Translation: I can't defend what I believe when asked tough questions about what I believe.

The subject is you only adhere to or read one historical Christian document. The NT! So I presented a question to you from that historical document. Sooooo how is that changing the subject? If you have read that historical document, then you have read those questions. Have EVER tried to answer...

Oh, I see. Now that I destroyed your false teachings/beliefs on the Crusade and showed how bankrupt you are on the subject....you want to change the subject? You crack me up Jim.

Hey Jim, It is not ok to murder someone jim. Murdering and self-defense are two different things Jim. You need a better teacher. Here is what your Protestant men teach and apparently haven't taught you yet...