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[11] For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, [12] Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; [13] Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and...

Might've been ne being a little grumpy.... But the thread isn't going anywhere. And its pretty easy to lose interest when folks blatently make errors I've already spent a long time pointing out.

Well. If an anti-christian hacked me, he had a helluva lot more class than you. There are a lot of folks on this board who call themselves Christian. Right now... I don't want to be associated with you.

Ok. Then Paul had it all wrong... ton55, i don't read verses. I read chapters. But then, i also dont read chapters, I read epistles. Heck, i don't even read them.... I read the Word. I'm no longer interested in this thread. There is nothing fruitful left in it. The thread is dead.

Sciafan..... You are one in a million, dude!

Emphasis on the wrong words and total lack of respect for the entire chapter.

A person doesn't bring their own lusts and agendas to the cross? Really? Thats the best place to bting them and allow christ to forgive them. Your second paragraph is slanderous. I'm trying to believe you are an honorable person. But isn't a good day for you so far. When did i suggest...

For real? You said, "you are heretical". How is that not an attack on his character?

No. Thats not was grace does nor what its about. I absolutely believe that God can bring change in a person's life, but its not the job of grace. Your one verse is from where? Romans 6? Romans 6 is the most hacked up chapter of the Bible. Never read in proper context. Wormwood, how come...

Asking a young man of age 15 -21 to obstain from sex is asking alot! Every guy here knows that an no woman here can fully comphrend it from a male's point of view! Yet I know no young girls that age have that problem.... Heck, they easily said no to me many times! Ok. Joking aside... I want...

H.Richard, Its my beliefs that "good works" are different than "works". That's a long discussion that I've tried to start on the past on this board (long ago), and it failed to take root. Good works as I understand the term pertain to doing God's work. They are done in secret and benefit him...

Some do. Some believe that grace only covers past sins, not the future sins. I believe grace covers all sins of the flesh. But there i go again being an abolutist! ;) 1. How one responds to grace to not mean they will quit sinning nor does it mean they will no longerdesire to sin. The...

Wormwood, A few quick shots to address a few issues. I'll comment more later. 1. I appreciate a conversation that allows a say and rebuttal from each party involved. Anything more becomes a fight of words. We are having a great debate and I thank you for such! 2. I did not say Cottrill...

The mink didn't work for me. I was interested in having a look. It's tough to really understand what is truly being said just by reading posts. But it seems Scaliafan and Ozspen didn't think too much of your post. Had you mentioned life imprision, loss of all personal possessions...

Wormwood, I don't feel like I am having a problem with my definition of free will. I definitely do think of this definition in absolute terms because I feel it is the right way to look at it. What you are doing is introducing "gray" area into the term free. Well, how gray can it get before...

Wormwood, You had previously acknowledged that God intervenes in our lives and sometimes outright suspends free will. I questioned whether it was really free will if God does this. I am not satisfied with your answer which was that you saw no problem with it and pointed to the case of...

Yea.... Its pretty hard (yet funny sometimes) to listen to someone rant continuously while never really making a point.

Wormwood, I thank you for your response. A rebuttal is coming soon.

Alright then! H Richard, understand my motive for asking. Its simply because those that don't believe in the power of God's grace tend to accuse folks like you and me of saying its ok to sin. That's not the case. I don't encourage anyone to sin. I just tell folks that under grace, all sins...

Yea, and that's a sore spot with me. So H Richard... Are you? Are you telling anyone to actually go out and sin? I am not. Neither did Paul. He did preach a moral code but it had nothing to do with the power of grace. He preached all things are lawful, but don't be controlled by them.