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I may be wrong, but it sounds like you believe OSAS can't coexist with any kind of warning about being damned. Is that the case with you? Personally, I don't associate with OSAS, but my belief is close in that I do believe in predestination. But the point that there are warnings doesn't make...

Well, as I mentioned, 1 john 2:19 gives the explanation. Hymeneiaus and Alexander went out from Paul's church, but they were not of the church. If they were of the church they would have not doubt continued with them. But they left so it was made manifest that they were not of them.

No, it was paul who wrote it. It was a letter TO Timothy. Barrd got it wrong but I think it was just a mental error, ad she later noted it was Paul. Maybe you simply made the same error. But, you are correct. The two in question may have been in the flock, but that doesn't mean they were of...

Paul had no free will during this episode (speaking of act 9 and his explanation in ch 26). Yes, he was obedient and probably eager and willing to get on the right path. Still, Jesus made things so difficult for him that there was only one choice. He's kind of like Mary. She was nevergiven...

Romans 6:6 says nothing of the sort and romans 10:26 does not exist. Of course, I know what you are speaking of.... neither is against what the bible says about predestination.

"-Many say that James rescinded the law in Acts 15. But did he really? He said the Gentiles did not have to keep the law but nowhere in Acts 15 did he say the Jews did not have to keep it. If you go up to Acts 21:18-25 you will see that the 12 are still teaching the Jews that they are under the...

Yea... Can't find that quote from Calvin.... In any sense, thank you for making my point. If you knew what Calvin taught on say, Hebrews 6:4-6, for example.... You wouldn't have written this. I am becoming more and more convinced that many on this board who don't agree with predestination and...

Barrd, I really hate to knit pick on whatmight be considered a small Iissue, but it is a pet peeve of mine. I've mentuoned this before, and will do so again: John Calvin did not start the OSAS doctrine, and in fact said many things against it. Among them the often quoted, "grace doesn't give...

I could write up a description for you, if it'd be helpful.

Bullspit. Like I said, we should makr it a catagory.

LOL! Oh, I get it! This is satire! The use of humor or irony to show how rediculous we've all become! Not meant to be taken seriously, but to be laughed at! Good one Oz!

For what its worth, I agree with Ewq. Passing off an attack as merely sarcasm is Bullspit. Perhaps we need a new fallacy catagory. I hope that Ewq is really just bring up the fact that the new fallacy police are guilty as well (which is ok as long as long as they confess it) and not as...

That was pretty good zenguin! Not saying I agree with it, not saying I don't. But I do have a thought in mind which I will most likely share soon.

I don't want to debate the use of this system or philosophy or rules of engagement (for lack of a better term), but I do want to bring up a few questions. 1. What would this system do with one who uses the Socratic Method of reasoning? That is, one who asks a series of questions in order to...

A few questions for Barrd: 1. I'd like to revisit a point DPMartin brought up. He noted in 2 Peter 3:9 that when Peter spoke of God not being "willing that any should perish...", he was speaking specifically about "us". In other words, those of lije, precious faith-not everyone. If I have...

I agree with liafailrock. So many people seem to have a need for catagorizing. It often comes hen someone has an unorhodox belief. Or, unorthodox to them.

I did beat around the bush a little. At least you tried. But typing in, " license to sin John Calvin" into google... I thought would be a no brainer. Next time, call grandma! :) But my point shouldn't be taken too lightly. If you really study calvin, you get the impression that he wasn't a...

Well, how hard did you try? I even gave you a clue where to start. Did you start with calvin? Guess what is so funny and ironic about this! Yep. John calvin used the phrase and the same arguements you do. I don't know if he first coined the phrase, but he's the first I know of. Does it...

I know it was you, barrd. I do admire your zeal. I do have a problem with the whole license to sin arguement, but not necessarily for the reasons you might expect. In the mean time, why not take me up on my challenge? Look into famous theologians who used that phrase. 10 minute google...

No arguement from me...