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Your view that Paul is quoting a letter is only one of the options, and it is not supported by a majority of exegetes, as demonstrated by the material in the links I supplied. Dr Gordon Fee who is no mean exegete considers that these verses were an interpolation that were added by a scribe...

The Barrd, I agree. But to use the verses you quoted, we learn: It it not an either or. It is both and. However, you forgot to include 1 Cor 14:39 from your favourite KJV, 'Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues'. Yes, Paul prefers intelligibility when...

Dimitryet, So are you a Universalist who believes all people will be saved and in God's kingdom? That theology seems to be suggested by your words, 'All Church is All Humanity'. Do you believe all people who have ever lived are in God's church? Oz

Stan, Which of the words of 1 Cor 14 do you think are coming from the letter Paul is quoting? My study has revealed that 1 Cor 14:34-35 being regarded as a quote, is only one of the possible ways of overcoming the difficulty with this passage. See these articles for some other options: ...

The Barrd, I have no problem with it being a language that is understood by somebody. However the important issue is that in a congregation where such a message is given, there MUST BE an interpretation so that those present will not be like 'foreigners' to the speakers (1 Cor 14:11 ESV). What...

The Barrd, That's not what 1 Cor 14:2 (NIV) states, 'For anyone who speaks in a tongue does not speak to people but to God. Indeed, no one understands them; they utter mysteries by the Spirit'. So what is needed when someone manifests the gift of tongues? We know the procedure from 1 Cor 14:13...

The Barrd, That's not how the traditionalists argue. They would say that if God gave a woman the gift of serving (a deaconess) or teaching, she must never do it among a mixed group of males and females. Her ministry must be exclusive to women. However, in this thread I have attempted to show...

Wormwood, You have provided not one Scripture to substantiate what you are saying. I have provided evidence from the Greek lexicons and an eminent word study (Kittel) that when adelphos is addressed to a group (as in the Corinthian church) as in 1 Cor 14:6; 14:26, it means brothers and sisters...

That's another red herring! :wub: You are incorrect in saying 'deaconess' is used in only one translation, the ISV. It is also used in The New Jerusalem Bible in Rom 16:1. If you understood that the Greek has only 2 genders for this word, diakonos (masculine) and diakonon (neuter) - used in...

That would be easily overcome if you would acknowledge the logical fallacies you use and quit using them. We cannot have a rational conversation when you continue to use such fallacies. I suggest that you learn, (courtesy Relatively Interesting)

Since you refuse to deal with the content of what I wrote at #360, you are here giving me another red herring fallacy. We cannot have a rational conversation when you do this. I will not engage you further on this topic as your logical fallacies make it impossible to engage at...

What kind of church are you seeking? What is your theology that prevented you from feeling good about the 2 churches you visited? Oz

Kerry, Welcome to CyB. I'm pleased that you have joined us. You have raised a penetrating issue for us in this electronic age. Can this happen with an online 'church'? 'And let us not neglect our meeting together, as some people do, but encourage one another, especially now that the day of his...

Can't you read what I've written without this false claim about me? I've provided you with evidence from the primary Greek sources of Arndt & Gingrich's lexicon, Thayer's lexicon, and Kittel's Theological Dictionary of the NT to demonstrate that my use of adelphos (brother and sister) is what...

And you are regularly illogical with your use of logical fallacies. What is a logical fallacy? A logical fallacy is an error of reasoning in which the premises you use to reach your conclusion do not provide the needed degree of support. That's what you have done again here. I have named the...

marksman, I have demonstrated to you from Greek word studies and lexicons the provable and NOT the unprovable. However, no matter how much evidence is supplied to counter your wrong argument, you do not have an open mind to receive it. You complain about one or two who are pushing their...

marksman, So, it's OK for you to use the older English translations to arrive at correct meaning? That's not how you determine the meaning of any word in any language. You're an Aussie like I am. If there is a word in The Australian, The Age, or the Courier-Mail newspapers for which I don't...

Stan, I had a brief discussion with leading Greek exegete, Dr D A (Don) Carson, when he preached at the Baptist Tabernacle in Brisbane a few months ago. He agreed with me that when the singular, adelphos, is used when addressed to a mixed group (such as the Corinthian congregation), it means...

The Barrd, I find it interesting how your house church emerged. My thinking in this direction came about because verses like 1 Cor 14:26 (NIV) were not allowed to be practised in the local church gathering. The mere structure of the service prohibited it. I tried to go to your Amazon homepage...

I most certainly am not cherry picking verses. I'm trying to be an honest exegete who sees apparent contradictions in Scripture and make an honest attempt to harmonise them. God is not the God of contradiction. He is the God of truth (Deut 32:4; Ps 57:10; 86:15; Is 55:8; Heb 6:18). Now to the...