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When will you quit bearing false witness about the non-OSAS people? For you to say that the non-OSAS believe it is 'impossible for God to save anyone even them' is nonsense. Then you have the audacity to say that the non-OSAS deny the power of God. This is a lie. How do I know? I've spoken to...

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Yes, it is a lovely story, The Baard. But how did the missionary know that "Jesus saves"? There would be no message of salvation except for that delivered through Scripture.

Rank Stranger, I'm very late in joining this topic. However, I found your observation very insightful. Scientists can discuss issues such as the Big Bang but they can't tell us how there was anything there to cause the 'bang'. However, one of the great barriers for unbelieving scientists is...

Wormwood, This is where the message of 1 John 4:1 (ESV) is so critical for all Christians: 'Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world'. It doesn't matter whether the pastor or teacher is...

The issue I'm trying to raise is that we would not know that Christ has authority over all things and is the head of the church, unless it was revealed to us in the authoritative, God-breathed Scripture (2 Tim 3:16-17 ESV). Would you agree that we would never know this profound information...

The Barrd, From where do you obtain information that tells you that Jesus Christ is the final authority and Head of the church? Is that obtained from a dream, some revelation of the gifts of the Spirit, Scripture or somewhere else? I'm asking a serious question as we too easily say Jesus is...

Another red herring!!!

Kepha, You have dished up another red herring logical fallacy.

Kepha, You are misrepresenting Augustine. No matter how often I repeat it, you refuse to acknowledge the content of what he wrote. Let me give it one more time: Do you get it? It is to the 'Scriptures alone' that Augustine is subject. He cannot agree with the authority of the church ALONE and...

Stan, You have given one excellent verse of what happens to people at death according to Heb 9:27 (NIV), 'Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment'. At death, bodily life ceases and there is a separation of the soul from the body. When Paul thinks about death he...

You are contradictory again: 'in Scripture are to be found all matters that concern faith and the manner of life' (Augustine, On Christian Doctrine, Book 2, Chapter 9). Augustine: 'I have learned to yield this respect and honour only to the canonical books of Scripture: of these alone do I...

It's not only your opinion, but if you go back to #218, it was you who stated: 'I'm not confused. The prefix "Roman" to "Roman Catholic Church" can only properly apply to one diocese: the Diocese of Rome. '. You are not only confused but contradictory in what you are stating.

If we get back to the topic of this thread, naming a really bad doctrine that needs retiring, I've been trying to show from the church fathers, especially Augustine, that the authority of the church needs retiring and we need to get back to the sole authority of Scripture. That has met with...

Kepha, You happen to be very incorrect. I live in the region of the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Brisbane. It is NOT the Catholic Church but the Roman Catholic Church here in the city of Brisbane. Oz

Kepha, The evidence I presented at #203 from Augustine still stands. You have not refuted it. Here it is again: in Scripture are to be found all matters that concern faith and the manner of life' (Augustine, On Christian Doctrine, Book 2, Chapter 9). Augustine: 'I have learned to yield this...

Kepha, In #208 you wrote: 'If the CC did such a bad job in preserving the scriptures, then any version you use is wrong too'. When will you learn the difference in the early church between the Catholic Church and the Roman Catholic Church? As a Protestant I'm a member of the Catholic (General)...

Kepha, It's amazing that you totally ignored what I wrote about Augustine teaching Scripture Alone (Sola Scriptura). Not a word from you. That's a classic example of filtering out (censoring) the information I provided about Augustine. And you claim: 'Neither Irenaeus nor Jerome taught SS...

Scripture, Tradition and the Church are in harmony. Just because Tradition is a different mode of transmission of the Word of God does not mean it is inferior to the Written Word of God. No Tradition, no Scriptures, it's that simple. No Church, no Tradition...even simpler. No Jesus, no...

Jun2u, I am flabbergasted that I provided an extended examination of the context to demonstrate the nature of the salvation that the people of Heb 6:4-6 (ESV) had. You refuted not a word of this, but then give this red herring: FYI, the gist of Hebrews 6:4-6 is about someone who was brought...