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I don't see how I've said anything different from what I've already said before.

LOL! Yeah, I do believe the regenerate can lose regeneration (that's what it would mean for someone who is saved to lose salvation)--I don't want to start bringing all those verses up--but, nevertheless, the regenerate cannot lose regeneration!

Yeah, I know you don't agree! LOL

That is not the topic. I'm not trying to identify the children of God, just discussing the fact that, indeed, there does seem to be this category of invalid faith taught in Scripture (as, before, I hadn't seen evidence of it), and "playing devil's advocate" with some of the passages that seem to...

I really wanted to discuss "true and false faith in John", and I only included James 2 as a preface.

I LOVE the "ignore" button. LOL!

Doesn't matter--Paul teaches the same (Romans 1:17, 14:5, 23; 2:6-16; Galatians 6:6-10). Nevertheless, I don't want to get into that conversation here.

Yes--but that is a different conversation, and I don't know if I want to get into it now.

The end result is the same: the saved can never be lost.

Yes, it is the same--because if, at the end of the day, you're "blotted out", you're accounted as having never been saved, which is the same thing as saying "the saved can never be lost", because those who are saved but are blotted out "were never saved", so that there is still the category of...

I haven't been "reluctant to give a clear answer" in my mind.

The very first boast the user made was enough for me to place him on ignore--"I can't even..."

John seems to sidestep all the details, and get right down to the point: you cannot lose salvation. There are other details that can be brought in, but, at the end of the day, they're not relevant, because anyone who is saved cannot lose salvation, and if they lose salvation they are accounted...

The "devil's advocate" argument I presented for John 15, and the argument I may use against that argument.

There is the issue of those who do not have true faith, and they seem not to be regenerate, but there seems to be another category of people who have believed who can fall away, and, in the sense that when someone is "blotted out", they are accounted as having never been saved (their history...

As I had said: it is just as true to simply say "You can't lose salvation" as it is to include all the other details to say the same thing.

What sounded "ambiguous"?

I'm prejudiced. LOL I am not going to win the Darwin Awards. I am able to observe patterns and plan accordingly.

Well, I'm saying they're both "ambiguous". lol

It's more than that: when the action of pruning is taken, when these cuts are made, it actually stimulates new growth, which is why part of the reason why you want to prune in Spring, not in Winter or in late Fall, because you don't want the plant to be stimulated to grow by pruning it.