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  1. OzSpen

    The Nicene Creed is not Christian

    Wormwood, You asked: 'Does this make sense?' No, it doesn't and I explained it as such in my previous post. 'Make disciples' is the main verb and the subordinate verbs are 'baptizing' and 'teaching'. So making disciples included baptism and teaching (Matt 28:18-20). As I explained, making...
  2. OzSpen

    The Nicene Creed is not Christian

    Hammer, That is extremely well said and of great insight. I would add that Christians have a responsibility before God to judge false doctrine from true teaching - truth from error. We know this from 1 John 4:1-6(ESV), which states,
  3. OzSpen

    The Nicene Creed is not Christian

    Joyful, I am judging nobody. You have judged yourself by calling your view non-trin (i.e. non-Trinitarian). I have simply labelled what you have called yourself as Arian and Unitarian. That is the Arians and Unitarians are non-trin. I'm not judging you personally. I'm comparing your doctrine...
  4. OzSpen

    The Nicene Creed is not Christian

    I don't understand what you mean. Are you accusing me of being judgmental about unitarians?
  5. OzSpen

    The Nicene Creed is not Christian

    ewq, Unitarians (i.e. Arians, non-Trinitarians) worship a false God because this is the God revealed in Scripture: God, the Father, is regarded as God. ‘For on him God the Father has set his seal’ (Jn 6:27 ESV); ‘God our Father’ (Rm 1:7 ESV); ‘God the Father’ and ‘God the Father’ (Gal 1:1, 3)...
  6. OzSpen

    The Nicene Creed is not Christian

    Joyful, You conveniently miss verses that contradict your view - verses the state that Jesus is God: Matt 1:23 (ESV), '“Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and they shall call his name Immanuel” (which means, God with us). Jesus possesses attributes that only deity can have: (1)...
  7. OzSpen

    The Nicene Creed is not Christian

    You don't seem to know the difference between a human person and a divine person. These are the biblical reasons why the Holy Spirit is a person: So here I have given you a stack of biblical evidence to support the theology of the Holy Spirit being a person. Oz
  8. OzSpen

    The Nicene Creed is not Christian

    Which Jesus? The one who is associated with your unitarian, Arian god?
  9. OzSpen

    The Nicene Creed is not Christian

    So is the worship of a unitarian god OK with you and the unitarian god is not a false god? Is that your view?
  10. OzSpen

    The Nicene Creed is not Christian

    That's not the point, Zeke. We have a facility on this forum so that you can write, say, John 3:16 (KJV) or John 3:16 (ESV) and these verses are automatically available in that translation. Therefore, there is no reason to quote your verses at length. I know that this material was from...
  11. OzSpen

    The Nicene Creed is not Christian

    ewq, Don't you understand the folly of what you are promoting. You claim that Father, Son and Holy Spirit are God but you want to accept someone as being Christian who believes in another god, a unitarian god. Paul warned the Galatians about 'a different gospel' and of those who 'distort the...
  12. OzSpen

    The Nicene Creed is not Christian

    Joyful, So are you admitting that you are a non-Trinitarian in your beliefs? So, in your understanding, 'Christians are followers of Jesus Christ'. Which Jesus? The one who is fully God? The one who said, 'I am the Father are one' (John 10:30 ESV)? I have already demonstrated from Scripture...
  13. OzSpen

    The Nicene Creed is not Christian

    This is a false claim against me. All of the 10 points came from the Athanasian Creed that has been accepted by the church for nearly 2 millennia. You are the one promoting errors. I'm not suggesting that I have all of my theology perfectly correct. I'm a work in progress. However, you do have a...
  14. OzSpen

    The Nicene Creed is not Christian

    This article, 'Is the Holy Spirit a person?' demonstrates the error of your statement. Luke 24:39 (ESV) states, 'See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself. Touch me, and see. For a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have"'. This is a post-resurrection appearance of...
  15. OzSpen

    The Nicene Creed is not Christian

    For heaven's sake, mate. I provided a list of points to define who is a Christian. There are NO Christians who do not believe in the Trinity. Those who reject the Trinity are unitarians, but they are not Christians. How do I know? The Bible told me so! The Father is God: 'Yet for us there is...
  16. OzSpen

    The Nicene Creed is not Christian

    This is a red herring of a reply. You don't answer the issues I raise. We can't have a logical conversation when you do this.
  17. OzSpen

    The Nicene Creed is not Christian

    Zeke, There is absolutely no need to quote lengthy portions of Scripture in your favourite KJV translation and then highlight in red. I found that to be voluminous and extremely distracting. I agree that by their fruit you will know they are Christians, but I'm still waiting for you to...
  18. OzSpen

    The Nicene Creed is not Christian

    I do not think that the definition of 'Christian' should be determined by denominational affiliation or labelling. I consider that what we believe determines our Christianity. Here is my suggestion: These are adapted from The Athanasian Creed: To be a Christian, we believe 1. In worshipping...
  19. OzSpen

    The Nicene Creed is not Christian

    There is nothing mentioned in these 3 verses about becoming disciples and being baptised either. Are you telling me that the disciples called in Matt 4:18-20 were not required to be baptised and become disciples? Same with repent. None of these called by Jesus would need to be told about the...