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  1. OzSpen

    The Doctrine of OSAS

    I don't think you are being fair on a public forum when you make that kind of statement. Please provide us with his definition and documentation.
  2. OzSpen

    The Doctrine of OSAS

    That is not providing evidence to The Barrd to refute her claim that 'OSAS is a lie'. Your statement is nothing more than your idiosyncratic personal assertion that carries no more worth than your opinion. Why don't you present your case from Scripture to confirm your assertion? Then we'll have...
  3. OzSpen

    The Doctrine of OSAS

    Have you read Norman L Geisler's book, Chosen but Free (Bethany House Publishers 1999). He reaches a very different conclusion to you in his understanding of free will, God's sovereignty and salvation. If your free will is submitted to God's sovereign authority, how much freedom of choice has...
  4. OzSpen

    The Doctrine of OSAS

    justaname, Could you be committing the fallacy of confusing cause and effect here?
  5. OzSpen

    Logical fallacies hijack discussion

    You have erected a straw man logical fallacy. So you would rather know Jesus than the Bible?? You can't know Jesus apart from the revelation of Jesus IN the Bible. That's the false view you have created with your straw man fallacy. Oz
  6. OzSpen

    Logical fallacies hijack discussion

    So, don't you read the Bible to obtain a better knowledge of God?
  7. OzSpen

    Logical fallacies hijack discussion

    In re-reading your post, I want to acknowledge that you have some excellent points here that must be considered in any discussion on this topic. However, the OP deals with mistakes in reasoning, which many Christians seem to be ignorant of or deliberately use to divert attention away from a...
  8. OzSpen

    Logical fallacies hijack discussion

    Don't you read Scripture when you come to know Christ? I'm talking about the Scriptures that use the logic of words and sentences (semantics) to communicate Christ to us. I come to know Christ more and more from Scriptures that I daily read. There is logic communicated by the Trinitarian God...
  9. OzSpen

    Logical fallacies hijack discussion

    I agree, it was a red herring fallacy because it changed the topic and did not deal with the matter at hand, especially the topic of the OP.
  10. OzSpen

    Logical fallacies hijack discussion

    Your ad hominem is a suitable example, but could need a little refinement. Your 'begging the question' is a fair explanation. The conclusion is built into the premise. You end where you began. Or, you can't reach any other conclusion as you presume that will happen. What is an ad hominem...
  11. OzSpen

    Logical fallacies hijack discussion

    It was a red herring logical fallacy because he changed the topic from that of the OP. With this statement, you have here committed a hasty generalization fallacy, which means: Sincerely, Oz
  12. OzSpen

    Logical fallacies hijack discussion

    I have found other common users of logical fallacies online are in comments' sections to newspaper articles. I experienced an example of this recently in, 'Campaign to legalise nude beaches in Queensland’, Brisbane Times, 13 September 2015. Mine is the first in the 'Comments' section at the end...
  13. OzSpen

    Logical fallacies hijack discussion

    The Barrd, As to hiding personal details, that doesn't relate to the OP. That's a matter of transparency with regard to personal matters. It can create an artificial environment where certain details are not revealed. However, there may be legitimate reasons for this that we do not know...
  14. OzSpen

    Logical fallacies hijack discussion

    justaname, Thank you for your perceptive observations. I endorse them. If I am regarded as a 'know it all' for starting this topic, such an assessment creates a straw man fallacy. My one and only reason for starting this topic has been that I've seen Christians on CyB using logical fallacies...
  15. OzSpen

    Logical fallacies hijack discussion

    Yours is another example of a red herring logical fallacy. If you want to engage with another topic, start a new thread. Instead, you have hijacked discussion with the self-generation of your own topic. You have given a perfect example of how your response hijacks discussion - and is a red...
  16. OzSpen

    Logical fallacies hijack discussion

    What's the title of the OP? You have given another demonstration of what the OP shows. You have responded with a red herring logical fallacy. Why is your response here a red herring fallacy? It is because you have presented an irrelevant topic when the topic of the the thread is 'Logical...
  17. OzSpen

    Logical fallacies hijack discussion

    I'm talking about your comment and the OP. You seem to be living in another world where you claim that there is no logic to God. Come on, mate! What kind of a Bible do you read? Is it a Bible with words, grammar, sentences, paragraphs (semantics)? If it is, these are examples of God...
  18. OzSpen

    Logical fallacies hijack discussion

    My experience is that many Christians do not know logical fallacies and do not recognise them when they use them. However, humility requires all of us to acknowledge that we are learners and anyone who helps us to see the fallacies we use should be commended. In relation to the OP, why don't...
  19. OzSpen

    Logical fallacies hijack discussion

    How does that relate to the topic of this thread?
  20. OzSpen

    Logical fallacies hijack discussion

    Here you are giving us a red herring logical fallacy. You have demonstrated my very point. Don't you understand what you have done with your kind of response as a red herring? I'm not sure you know what a logical fallacy is when you violate the logical rules of discussion like you have done with...