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Yep.... A concept that folks who hate OSAS tend to ignore.

Of course not. But referring to faith as a work -- while not really wrong because 2 or 3 times the Bible does tell us to do the work of faith -- is a contradition. Here's why: 1. Paul so often voiced his objection to faith and works mixing. He said we are saved by grace through faith and...

Huh???? I think you are close, but you got a weird way of wording it. Christians cannot do good works for his brethren, but Mat 25 is an example of good works a Christian is to do for his brethren? Well... I think you are close, but I'm not going to expound on it.

Good heavens, I've been trying NOT to respond to this thread because I've said about everything I want to say on the topic. Not only that, but also I know how set people can be in their thinking. However, there are some things that should be repeated or brought up. First and foremost...

Just for the humor of reading the answer... I'll ask. What do you believe those "good works" to be?

I'd be real careful calling God a sinner.

If anyone wants a break from all the Bill Nye craziness, here's something a little lighthearted, and perhaps not that important. Just an interesting observation to ponder. In the Gospel of John 1:45-51 Jesus met Nathaneal. It seems to me to be an interesting and even whimsical meeting...

Well, the heaven suffereth violence and the violent take it by force, and the kingdom of God is within men, so in that sense yes. That's the war between the flesh and the inward man Paul spoke of in Romans 7. But the war in heaven spoken of in Revelation 12 already happened. Satan was cast...

Well, the thing about Rev 12 is that it already happened. It isn't prophecy, it's a recap.

You talking about Revelation 12?

Aspen, John wasn't even conceived yet and God's angel spelled out his life before his dad. I don't understand how anyone can disagree that John was chosen and predestinated to do exactly what he did. I mean... The guy was praising Jesus before he was even born! And the angel said he would...

Again, I do believe it does take work, as Apsen said. The difference is that they are spiritual works and not works of the flesh or the Law of Moses. Personally, I prefer to say, "works of the flesh" because Moses did command to worship the Lord only. But the Bible does say we are no longer...

I like CS Lewis, and although I haven't read that statement, I have to partially disagree with him. God knows what we need before we ask him (he even understands what we need better than we do... We think we know what we need, but he knows what we need!), but appearently he wants us to pray...

No need to if that's what everyone wants to talk about. I was just looking forward to discussing the original topic.

Once upon a time this thread was pretty good.... Now, it's just the same as every other thread Ernest T. Bass is in... A free will vs. God's will free-for-all.... Same arguement, different thread. (Not ETB's fault necessarily.... It's just what has happened)

It appears the question is, "Why repeat a prayer over and over?" Perhaps the most useful book in the Bible for prayer is Matthew 6. First off, verse 5 says don't pray openly in public to be seen of men. If you do, God may not even be listening. Second, verse 7 says not to use vain...

Eph 1:1 Paul, and Apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, AND to the faithful in Christ Jesus. Luke 1:13-17 But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zachaias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son and thou shalt call his...

Well, Paul used the term 3 times in Romans 5. You may want to talk to God about it. :) Ernest.... I don't see a reason to further elaborate on what I said. I will say, though that grace comes by faith. I'll leave it at that for now....

I see what you are saying, and I for one have never had a problem with believing, repenting, confessing or being baptized. Never said I did, and I don't know that anyone else has said otherwise. There are a few things to iron out though... For example, you seem to believe in a literal water...

Well, I'm with you on this one two... I believe God knew some people would be saved, and I believe God knew their names. I believe Paul knew their names too, but didn't address the letter just to them.