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  1. OzSpen

    The Nicene Creed is not Christian

    Wormwood. To the contrary. Let's examine a passage you mentioned, Matt 28:19-20 (ESV): 'Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am...
  2. OzSpen

    Restrictions since homosexual marriage legalised

    Our Prime Minister is a promoter of heterosexual marriage. However, he's under pressure from some in his own party to get the people to decide in either a plebiscite or referendum. That's not the issue I'm raising. In countries that have endorses homosexual marriage, e.g. Canada, NZ, USA...
  3. OzSpen

    The Nicene Creed is not Christian

    zeke25, Would you be able to list half a dozen criteria you would use to help determine if somebody is of the 'household of faith' = Christian? Oz
  4. OzSpen

    The Nicene Creed is not Christian

    Thanks. I understand and support your position.
  5. OzSpen

    The Nicene Creed is not Christian

    This is a false accusation. The reason I did not refer to Matt 4:18-20 (ESV) is because you failed to include the context of Matt 4:17 (ESV): 'From that time Jesus began to preach, saying, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand"'. Notice the word, 'Repent'. This was the same message that...
  6. OzSpen

    The Nicene Creed is not Christian

    So are you saying in this life it is not possible for you, me or anyone else to identify who is truly a Christian? I have recently concluded a major PhD dissertation on some of the beliefs of Jesus Seminar advocate, John Dominic Crossan. He says over and over, 'I am a Christian' or speaks 'as a...
  7. OzSpen

    The Nicene Creed is not Christian

    ewq, That's not what Paul & Silas told the Philippian jailer: 'And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household"' (Acts 16:31 ESV). Jesus was adamant about what was needed to prevent a person from perishing: What was the Gospel message that Paul...
  8. OzSpen

    Restrictions since homosexual marriage legalised

    For those countries or states that have legalised same-sex marriage, what restrictions are now being implemented against those who oppose homosexual marriage? What is being done against preachers who uphold biblical morality, including rejection of homosexuality? Is there a new under-class...
  9. OzSpen

    The Nicene Creed is not Christian

    There is a prerequisite BEFORE following Christ the Messiah and Saviour: 'For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast ' (Eph 2:8-9 ESV). And the flip side of faith is repentance, 'The...
  10. OzSpen

    How To Get To Heaven When You Die

    You refuse to accept the lexicons' understanding of apollumi (I destroy), so there is no way that you and I are ever going to reach a biblical understanding of the meaning of destruction when you reject the lexicon meaning. Apollumi describes burst wineskins and spoiled food (see Matt 9:17; John...
  11. OzSpen

    How To Get To Heaven When You Die

    No you are not! What does Matt 25:46 (ESV) state: 'And these [unrighteous] will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life'. The length of punishment for the unrighteous is as long as for the length of life for the righteous - ETERNAL. The Great White Throne judgment...
  12. OzSpen

    How To Get To Heaven When You Die

    Butch, I wrote: '1. The grave (the resting place of the body) is distinct from sheol, which is where the spirits of the dead gather. We see this in verses such as Isa 14:9-10 (ESV). '“In the place of the dead [sheol] there is excitement over your arrival. The spirits of world leaders and...
  13. OzSpen

    How To Get To Heaven When You Die

    Butch, I have demonstrated at #417 that what happens at death for the unbeliever is not annihilation. Life that continues beyond the grave is not my invention or philosophical bias. It is derived from an inductive study of Scripture which you don't accept. The Scriptures, although not...
  14. OzSpen

    How To Get To Heaven When You Die

    Butch, Do you notice what you do with your response here to my #393. Not one time did you refer to the translation I used - not one. You are off and running with the translation you want. That is NOT dealing with the verses I cited and the theology from those verses. Unless you deal with the...
  15. OzSpen

    How To Get To Heaven When You Die

    They are your assertions. You have not demonstrated this to be so. I have already shown by biblical example how soul and spirit are used interchangeably in the NT. It's too late to convince me otherwise. In 54 years as a believer and a biblical specialist, I've followed the use of psuche and...
  16. OzSpen

    How To Get To Heaven When You Die

    1. Strong's is a valued Concordance of the Bible, with a few other Greek helps. They are nothing more than helps. It is NOT a highly respected Greek lexicon. Arndt & Gingrich is the Rolls Royce of Greek lexicons. Thayer's lexicon has also provided valuable insight into Greek use. That's not the...
  17. OzSpen

    How To Get To Heaven When You Die

    You DID NOT address the Scriptures I raised at #393. If this is your approach, I'm not interested in this kind of red herring stuff because we can't have a logical discussion when you do this.
  18. OzSpen

    How To Get To Heaven When You Die

    Ah, I see from Google that you got this from Strong's Concordance. That is NOT an eminent Greek source for apollumi (destroy) used in Matt 10:28 (ESV): 'And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell [Gehenna]'. If I...
  19. OzSpen

    How To Get To Heaven When You Die

    From where did you obtain that meaning? I do wish you would document your sources.
  20. OzSpen

    How To Get To Heaven When You Die

    You don't seem to understand the meaning of 'destroy'. When I backed over my son's toy truck, I destroyed the truck. I did not annihilate it. I suggest you do a better job of examining the etymology of 'destroy' in Matt 10:28. It does NOT mean annihilate. God is not in support of annihilation...