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  1. OzSpen

    How To Get To Heaven When You Die

    ewq, From where in Scripture did you obtain that doctrine? You provided not one biblical reference to God being able to kill the soul. So, are you an annihilationist? Oz
  2. OzSpen

    The Nicene Creed is not Christian

    I hope you mean 'participate' by repentance and faith in Christ's substitutionary sacrifice when the Gospel is proclaimed (e.g. Acts 10:39-34 ESV; Rom 10:9-10 ESV). However, Calvinists would not agree with such a statement as you are either in or out according to the unconditional election of...
  3. OzSpen

    How To Get To Heaven When You Die

    ewq, Biblically, we need some clarification: The words "soul" and "spirit" can be used interchangeably. In John 12:27, Jesus said, "Now is my soul (psuche) troubled, while in a similar context in the next chapter he said, "Jesus was troubled in his spirit (pneuma) [John 13:21]" This...
  4. OzSpen

    The Nicene Creed is not Christian

    This is a red herring fallacy.
  5. OzSpen

    How To Get To Heaven When You Die

    You haven't dealt with my material presented at #393. I said I would begin to address your issues one point at a time. I did that, but you refused to use the information I presented. The issue has nothing whatsoever with whether I have a PhD or not. It has to deal with being honest with the...
  6. OzSpen

    Well this is good news for the SBC

    Hammer, I find that many overtly, prominent Reformed representatives can be quite doctrinaire in the pervasive nature and imposition of their views. That is what I hear and read with Dr Mohler, R C Sproul, John Piper, John MacArthur, Steve Lawson, etc. However, that can also be the case with...
  7. OzSpen

    The Nicene Creed is not Christian

    You wrote: I think you could be missing something important here. We know this from 2 Cor 7:9-10 (ESV), 'As it is, I rejoice, not because you were grieved, but because you were grieved into repenting. For you felt a godly grief, so that you suffered no loss through us.10 For godly grief...
  8. OzSpen

    How To Get To Heaven When You Die

    Butch, You're the one with the problem. I posted the biblical verses to support my position. What do I get from you? You give 6 paragraphs with only one verse (Gen 2:7). The rest is out of your mind. It is not backed by Scripture. If you continue this approach, I will not be responding. I'm not...
  9. OzSpen

    How To Get To Heaven When You Die

    At #388, it was you who stated, 'Many verses speak of someone going to God or heaven after death...heaven is usually misunderstood as the eternity when it is not'. I asked you to tell us which of these verses you refer to. It's up to you to deal with the verses, one verse at a time.
  10. OzSpen

    The Nicene Creed is not Christian

    You reject the relevance of the shift from plural to singular but only gave your opinion and not evidence. You state that the command is to the crowd 'to repent along with the passive verb to 'be baptized'. It's important to note that the command to repent is an aorist active imperative...
  11. OzSpen

    The Nicene Creed is not Christian

    Butch, I've grown tired of your assertions without references to what you say. Here you do the same again. I will not be responding when you don't defend your position with evidence. Daniel Wallace's opposition to Robertson is useless when you present not a word of what Wallace says and where...
  12. OzSpen

    The Nicene Creed is not Christian

    Wormwood, If you read the quote I gave to you re Acts 2:38 from an excellent Greek exegete, Dr A T Robertson (a Baptist), he said that the controversial translation of 'unto the remission of your sins' will be interpreted as follows, 'One will decide the use here according as he believes that...
  13. OzSpen

    How To Get To Heaven When You Die

    I asked: a. Where do believers go at death? You responded: A. The believe as the unbeliever returns to the dust and the breath returns to God. Let's check with whether that agrees with biblical statements. There is an important word in the OT that is translated into Greek and that is the...
  14. OzSpen

    How To Get To Heaven When You Die

    Why don't you deal with these verses instead of giving this kind of generalised statement? We are not going to get anywhere if you don't deal with the Scriptures.
  15. OzSpen

    How To Get To Heaven When You Die

    Let's stay with the OP. Is it possible for believers to get to heaven when they die? If so, how does that happen?
  16. OzSpen

    How To Get To Heaven When You Die

    This is what happens when you read only part of a verse. Mark 12:27 (ESV) states: 'He is not God of the dead, but of the living. You are quite wrong'. The fact is that no believer who has 'died' is dead but is living. That's why Paul could say he preferred to be 'away from the body and at home...
  17. OzSpen

    How To Get To Heaven When You Die

    My point was that nothing is stated in the Nicene Creed about what happens to believers immediately at death. However, the Nicene Creed affirms, 'I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come'. This means that there will be a resurrection of dead people and there is...
  18. OzSpen

    How To Get To Heaven When You Die

    Let's discuss the first point. From what you have raised, you state: Believers go to heaven at death is taught nowhere in Scripture. a. Where do believers go at death? b. Is there such a place as heaven? c. Do believers go there at any time? If so, when? Many thanks, Oz
  19. OzSpen

    The Nicene Creed is not Christian

    Wormwood, What have we concluded about whether this statement from the Nicene Creed is Christian or not? 'I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins'. As has been raised, Acts 2:38 states: 'Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the...
  20. OzSpen

    Matthew 28:19 is spurious

    No, it's not referring to Q as that refers to what is common in Matt & Luke that was not in Mark. Papias is referring to Matt's Gospel being written in the Aramaic language (a Hebrew dialect). Oz