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I really wish I could just ignore Scripture and just be an Orthodox or a Catholic--or a Calvinist, like you--all of those people can know God, and there is a real practical value to all of those beliefs, but I don't fit in with anyone because I'm trying to affirm ALL of Scripture, and NONE of...

Php 2:12,13 Jude says to keep yourself in the love of God--meaning that a) God doesn't do it all, we have our part, contrary to what you had asserted, and b) some do not, just as I have already pointed out (1 Jn 2:28).

I will restate my answer: you raised a lone verse talking about being kept by God's power through faith, as if faith were static--but that is the entire discussion, so you were begging the question, and that falsehood was debunked for the readers.

Yes, I do--and "we" and "you" and "our" are all phrases that apply to those who are abiding in Christ by keeping His commands (1 Jn 3:23,24), and there are those who do not abide (1 Jn 2:28), and if they fall away these statements do not apply to them. Do you believe Romans 8:1--that there is...

It is because I agree that the Bible is harmonious that I cannot accept the things you are saying, and I stand by everything I've stated.

Not a single passage has been presented that has overturned anything whatsoever that I've said here.

You all raise so many verses after your initial verses have been debunked.

Yes, "He is at work in us", but the very same verse states "obey"--it's not one or the other, it's both--"keep yourselves in the love of God". With regard to "kept by the power of God"--yes, "through faith", and we also know that "the deceitfulness of sin" can "harden the heart", so that it...

This discussion is mainly about the fact that one must abide in the Son to retain the eternal life that is only found in the Son--and that some do not abide (Jn 15; 1 Jn 2:28), because they're led away by idols (1 Jn 5:21). Secondarily, we can discuss what it looks like to keep God's commands...

When they stop looking to Jesus?

No, rather, it is yourself who denies the saying that some do not abide (1 Jn 2:28) because they don't keep God's commands (1 Jn 3:23,24) because they're led away by idols (1 Jn 5:21). Just as in Ezekiel : "because they rejected My ordinances, and as for My statutes, they did not walk in them...

You're the biggest false accuser on the forum, hypocrite.

"Self righteousness" : Romans 2:6-16 says only doers of the Law will be justified and repaid eternal life when God judges. You have no answer. You flee in fear from these verses. Anyone can see that.

Yup, I believe all of Scripture, not just little slivers of it, like you do.

People must reap the harvest of eternal life by doing good deeds (Gal 6:6-10). People must be repaid eternal life for their good deeds (Ro 2:6-16). Again, Scripture teaches both--you accept only one, and reject the other.

You're free to address anything I've stated in order to prove this assertion. You should start with how you deny being thrown in the fire is a salvific issue. I won't hold my breath. LOL

Yep, it is by righteousness that we have it as a gift--the righteousness of God by grace through faith. It is kept by grace through faith--we are not under Law we are under Grace. That is, Grace and faith is the way we serve today (Ro 6:14, 7:6; Gal 5:6). When we walk in faith we are revealing...

Throughout this discussion, you've proven you have exactly zero things "right"--that is, not that you have zero truth, but that you have zero complete truth. You have some truth, and you have eternal life, but your explications of the Scripture are utterly lacking. You believe a little saying...

You have no justification for your unbelief. Romans 2 6who WILL RENDER TO EACH PERSON ACCORDING TO HIS DEEDS: 7to those who by perseverance in doing good seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life; 8but to those who are selfishly ambitious and do not obey the truth, but obey...

Again, there is no mutual exclusivity between eternal life being a gift and being a repayment for good deeds (Ro 2:6-16; Gal 6:6-10). Both are stated, so both are true. The difference between us is that you accept one sliver of Scripture, and I accept it all.