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Butch, That's your assertion. You have not provided the exegesis. Now please tell us the meaning of hotan de elthe to teleion to ek merous katargethesetai (1 Cor 13:10 Greek NT). Oz

Than you, emekrus, for making such a profound contribution to this discussion. May the Lord bless and encourage your ministry. SCOAN's (Synagogue Church of All Nations) minister/prophet is T B Joshua. Take a read of, 'How real are T.B Joshua’s miracles?' (Vanguard, September 27, 2014). See...

I invite you to raise this issue with your local church and see the reaction from the pastoral few and the elders. That's why I'm particularly attracted to the house church movement as it, by it's nature, allows for the possibility of God's people ministering to one another when the church...

Wormwood, I don't know what's happening with notifications from CB. I was not advised by email of your response to me. Now to your points and I'll need to be brief as bed is calling. 1. Where did this happen in the NT? If that were happening in the Central African Republic or in Myanmar, I...

Wormwood, To the contrary, I do not see anything in 1 Cor 12-14 that says that Paul was identifying 'actual human languages' when he addresses speaking in tongues. However, I'm not going to make a big deal with you over whether they were actual human languages or not. The fact is that tongues...

Wormwood, I'll respond to just the first paragraph of your post. Yes, the early church was given incredible power to heal. Are the miracles of healing being displayed around the world today, including the raising of the dead? You say, No! Have you been to every culture in the world where a...

No, Paul makes that exceptionally clear at the beginning of 1 Cor with 1 Cor 1:7 (ESV), 'So that you are not lacking in any spiritual gift, as you wait for the revealing of our Lord Jesus Christ'. Paul leaves no doubt as to how long the Corinthians will need spiritual gifts. They will need...

Butch, The context is for tongues ceasing, based on I Cor 13:12 (ESV), 'For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I have been fully known' (emphasis added). The 'now' addresses the Corinthian's contemporary existence and the...

pom, You are not listening to the evidence I presented from Genesis. We are wasting each other's time in discussing this as we are talking past each other. You can try it on someone else.

Butch, 1 Corinthians 13:8-12 (ESV) states: This passage tells us exactly when prophesies, tongues, and KNOWLEDGE 'will pass away'. This is when: 'For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I have been fully known'. They will...

pom, That is false according to 1 Cor 14:2 (ESV): 'For one who speaks in a tongue speaks not to men but to God; for no one understands him, but he utters mysteries in the Spirit'. I do wish you would stick with what the Scriptures state in this regard, instead of imposing your presuppositions...

No, he said, 'Now I want you all to speak in tongues'. I

Butch5, So was Paul contradicting himself because he also said: 'Now I want you all to speak in tongues, but even more to prophesy' (1 Cor 14:5 ESV)? Oz

pom, In church gatherings I have heard the genuine gift of tongues with the required accompanying gift of interpretation. I have been edified and to call it 'mad raving babbling' is insulting to those whom God uses to manifest the genuine gifts of tongues and interpretation. The biblical...

pom, I was not discussing the Augustinian model but gave a link to the problems with the Irenaean model of theodicy. Rom 8:18-23 (ESV): For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worth comparing with the glory that is to be revealed to us. 19 For the creation waits with...

pom, The late Dr John Hick, a sceptical British philosopher of religion, was a promoter of the Irenaean Theodicy. Here is one assessment of 'The Irenaean Theodicy and Its Problems'. Oz

This is a false allegation. I'm always open to anyone disagreeing as long as he/she presents reasons for disagreement. If any of us uses logical fallacies in a post, we cannot have a logical conversation because fallacies involve illogical reasoning. It seems that you are unaware of when you...

Your appeal to ridicule fallacy continues.

pom, Being insulting and cynical towards me does not help communication! :rolleyes: I would never recommend Wikipedia for anyone to obtain reliable historical and theological information. Try the IVP series, one vol of which is Dictionary of New Testament Background. Encyclopaedia Britannica...

That is not a helpful response. If you disagree with my view of theodicy, please tell us (and me) where it is wrong and why it is wrong. Here, you are just giving assertions.