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You reject His Word that says some don't abide because they are led away by idols (1 Jn 2:28, 5:21).

@mailmandan @Ritajanice @Eternally Grateful I think someone could say that part of "abiding", which is by "obeying" (part of which command is to believe in the Name of God's Son--ie, Jesus means "God is Salvation" or "God saves"), would be believing that Christ saved them, and that they are...

Nothing can separate us from the love of God that is "in Christ", but that assumes that we are remaining "in Christ"--and we can know that that is not the case for all, because some are led away by idols (1 Jn 2:28, 5:21).

Revelation 2 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. "Forgive" me for quoting Scripture in a discussion about Scripture!

OSAS doesn't necessarily teach against sanctification--that's not my gripe with it.

Well, if this means you don't need to abide to have eternal life, the Scripture would not agree.

I invite anyone to read through the discussion and judge for themselves whether you have made a single point that hasn't been soundly refuted.

LOL In other words, "The Word of God can only be interpreted in a manner that works for my view--when the allegory works against my view, that is false teaching." Amazing how that works!

The reason it is "irrelevant" was already explained: it isn't the end-all be-all. Sure, being born again makes you a branch, but abiding is what is necessary, and that is by continually obeying (1 Jn 3:23,24).

Some people don't like it because they read Scripture and don't like it when people want them to veer from Scripture.

Branches grow out from a Vine, but they are warned to abide (1 Jn 2:28), not be led away by idols (1 Jn 5:21), but to obey, such that they continue receiving the substance that is in the Vine, which is the eternal life, the Spirit (1 Jn 3:23,24, 5:11); if not, they do not bear fruit and so are...

Makes no sense, branches don't appear on any Vine, they issue from the Vine, because they have life, but we see that abiding is by obeying, so, some don't obey, and they are cut off.

If He kept us all in the Vine, no branches would be cut off, so, no, this is false.

Nope, those who get blotted out, bc they don't remain in Him, bc they don't obey Him, aren't remembered (Ez 3:20). Nope, or else there wouldn't be branches that get thrown in the fire (Jn 15)--and the grafted in Gentiles wouldn't have been told they can be cut off for unbelief (Ro 11).

Nope, only those who remain in Him, by, continually obeying Him, receive the eternal life / Spirit that is only located in Him (1 Jn 2:28, 3:23,24, 5;11, 21).

I don't know how you think you're being helpful when you throw your fecal matter at me. I can only conclude you're not actually trying to help me, contrary to what your words--that you're mature, and spiritually enlightened, etc, etc--would have everyone believe.

Prove it. This is the place for it. It's called a discussion. It's not helpful to anyone that you make empty claims, like a zoo animal throwing your feces around. Just make your point from Scripture. I'm waiting. Being born of God is irrelevant, since we are required to abide, and many don't...

So, according to you, contrary to Scripture, a branch doesn't need to abide in the Vine, and it is all right if it gets thrown in the fire. Interesting. I wouldn't direct anyone to NOT abide, and be destined for the fire, but "to each his own". So glad women aren't permitted to teach men...

You seem interested in this topic--again, you may want to make a thread for it, bc, as you already know, it's not the topic.

You should make your own thread about it--you've raised this topic several times already.