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Yep, and after salvation if you live sinfully you don't inherit God's Kingdom but fall under God's wrath and forfeit the Promise (1 Co 9:26-1 Co 10).

Yeah, I started the discussion. I expect to find either agreement or disagreement. Isn't that the purpose of discussion?

I'm discussing. I expect disagreement. I will not spend my time, however, sifting through gigantic posts to FIGURE OUT what they're saying--i don't do that to anyone else, so I don't expect it to be done to me--I expect to find myself being quoted, and then a clear agreement or disagreement, and...

Yeah, as with others who raised the issue of justification, you seem to find a mutual exclusivity between Biblical doctrines, whereas I seek to believe it all: we both already have eternal life, and we are told to "lay hold on the eternal life to which you have been called", and we're told we...

I'm not here asking anyone questions (it seems like your post is "informative"), I'm telling you all about what I read. If you disagree with anything I've said, I invite you to quote those statements and bring proofs I erred. I do apologize, but I don't see myself sifting through your...

Actions you take AFTER being saved can result in your falling under God's wrath according to 1 Co 9:26-1 Co 10. This is, again, why abiding in Him--by obeying His Commands 1) believe in the Name of God's Son, and 2) love one another--is a matter of eternal life, because branches which do not...

The eternal life is only found "in His Son" (1 Jn 5:11). Therefore, only those who abide in Christ are eligible for receiving the eternal life/Spirit (1 Jn 3:23,24). Only those who obey Christ--1) believe in the Name of God's Son, and 2) love one another--can abide in Christ. Some Christians do...

Yeah, again : branches that don't abide don't bear fruit and are thrown in the fire, but you say abiding and bearing fruit isn't an issue of salvation, so you're saying that being thrown in the fire isn't a salvific issue. If being thrown in the fire isn't a salvific issue what can be!? To be...

You haven't disproven anything, you've gone on tangents. The only times you've directly addressed my points, you've been soundly disproven, like the post you just made denying that abiding in Christ is an issue of eternal life.

Disagree however much as you want, but QUOTE ME and then get into specifics on what I've said, don't just go on tangents, and "high fiving" other users, suppressing the information I've set forth.

If you don't abide in Christ, you aren't supplied with the Spirit (1 Jn 3;23,24), because the eternal life/Spirit is only located "in His Son" (1 Jn 5:11). If you want to call not having eternal life "not an issue of salvation", anyone will be able to recognize you don't have a clue.

Nah, anyone can read what you have done. You don't quote me, and then you proceed to go off on a tangent not addressing specific claims I've made--that's why I want you to quote me, so we can know you are addressing my claims head-on!

I'm asking you to interact with what I've stated. If you disprove it, I'll accept it; when you're disproven, as you always are, you go off on a tangent. I'm trying to stop all the irrelevant tangents, because they suppress the information. You all love to bury the truth.

1 Jn 2:28,5:21 say "idolatry" causes "little children" to not abide in Christ--only those remaining in Him by obeying Him continue to receive the Spirit (1 Jn 3:23, 24), because the Spirit/eternal life is only "in His Son" (1 Jn 5:11).

Discussion is on the requirements for abiding in the Lord and therefore being qualified for receiving the Spirit (1 Jn 3:23, 24).

Discussion is about continually receiving the Spirit by abiding in Christ. As to "salvation": it's comparable to the Jews' salvation from slavery in Egypt, yet, after having been saved, they lived in sin, and, so, fell under God's wrath and forfeited the promise made them, and this was written...

I'm going to have to keep quoting the salient points, then. I'm not going to let these people bury the information.

I welcome dissent, I only ask that they quote what I've stated and address it, not flood the thread with every manner of commenting EXCEPT actually interacting with SPECIFIC CLAIMS, which is what will move the discussion forward. I did "flood" my thread with complaints, because the commenters...

Think about it: I'm trying to have a discussion on specific points made in Scripture. It's already difficult for people to accept when they're wrong. It's already difficult to understand Scripture. The last thing we need now is to ADD to that difficultly with every commenter treating the...

It is good that you are at least addressing specific claims, but I would be most grateful if you would go all the way and actually quote what I've stated, so that readers could follow the discussion and understand exactly what claims you are replying to.