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Yup, and His life He laid down is only applicable to His friends. You reject that. I can't help you, I've shown you Scripture, and you hate it. What more can I do?

And I am not worried that you are not worried--I believe Scripture what I showed you. You reject God's Word. That's fine. "I'm not worried" as you say.

You can believe any lie you want, true, and I'll believe Scripture which I have shown to you.

Judaism is literally a religion that teaches that tenet--that the life of an innocent takes away the sins of the guilty. That is God's idea.

Well, then, Scripture is a lie. His life He laid down saves people from God's wrath, but those who do not believe "will not see life but God's wrath abides on them." You have your own belief, but it isn't perfectly Christian, since it rejects Scripture.

Well, you can believe what you'd like, I'll just believe Scripture: His laid down life doesn't apply to anyone who disbelieves or disobeys Him. John 15 13Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends. 14You are My friends if you do what I command you.

No, Jesus's life He laid down only applies to His "friends", and His "friends" are those who "do whatever He tells them to"--ie, those who abide in Christ. So, Jesus's life He laid down, paying for others' sins, doesn't apply to those who disobey Him. It's not difficult to understand. John 15...

No, it's not a lie, it's just not as you understand! Anyone could join Israel, but that doesn't mean that they had joined Israel. Today, anyone can join themselves to Christ, but that doesn't mean they have.

I never thought or said you should "worry". That is not relevant. Again: In my view, which I have not completely worked out, those who do not accept and walk by Christ will have to pay for their own sins. They owe God a debt of glory. "We have all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God."...

No, the payment is only "in Christ", it is not available to those outside Christ, just as the High Priest's sacrifices were applicable to the Nation of Israel, not the other nations.

I never said they are thrown in the fire forever--in fact, I literally just posted contrary to that idea, so I don't know why you're objecting "they are not thrown in the lake of fire forever" as if I'd said it.

So... just to clarify, so we don't get lost, the issue was that people can be drawn away from abiding in Christ by "idolatry" of a false Gospel spoken by a demon, and this is not a good position to be in because Christ can avail them nothing and they're not in a position to continue receiving...

Well, I would just follow the Scripture and see that they are raised to be thrown into fire.

The "payment" is only in Christ because Christ already endured the punishment--everyone outside of Christ is not enjoying that reality.

There are two "wrongs" a person can do: Not believe God forgives them for Christ's sake Not walk in love If I confess my sins God is faithful and righteous to forgive me and cleanse me of all unrighteousness.

Everything God does is good. Existing is not living. Just because the men are "existing" doesn't mean they have "eternal life", since "life" is a quality and "death" is a quality--today, men are "dead in sins", yet they are "existing", so "existing" in "torment" is not "life" (even if it was...

In my view, which I have not completely worked out, those who do not accept and walk by Christ will have to pay for their own sins. They owe God a debt of glory. "We have all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God." Jesus says "you will not get out of there until you have paid the uttermost...

Yeah, Isaiah 66 says "they will go forth and look upon the corpses of those who transgressed against me for their fire will not be quenched and their worm will not die"--they're "outside", too, and they're under God's wrath.

OK I thought you were finding fault in me.

If God has "faith", it is in His Word, and His Word tells us that only those who believe see life, whereas those who do not believe will not see life but remain under God's wrath. They "do not know God".