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Jesus tells Nicodemus "how to enter God's Kingdom", that it is by being "born again", then corrects Nicodemus's misunderstanding "not flesh birth, going back into your mother's womb, and then exiting again, but spirit birth--to inherit God's spiritual Kingdom you must yourself be spirit". The...

Incorrect. Only the Law was "weakened through sinful flesh", but the good works we do "under Grace" are produced by God--about which we are told "therefore... obey, for it is God at work in you".

Oh, I didn't know you read "born of water" as "born of flesh".

To the contrary, John's baptism said "believe in Him Who is coming".

I'm not sure what you're saying here. Are you saying "Jesus was water baptized as an act of righteousness--He fulfilled all righteousness for us so that we don't have to" or "Just as Jesus had to do what was right and be water baptized so also we must be water baptized"? I do believe baptism...

LOL What are they then??? Are you saying you have to be born of each member of the Trinity? Three new births--one of the Word, one of the Spirit, one of the Father? LOL The Water is the Word--when you receive the Word of the Spirit you are born of God.

You've misunderstood : you're conflating my assertion that "water and Spirit" refers to "being born of God" together with an assumption you have that I must therefore reject the necessity of water baptism.

We're asking what "born of water and Spirit" means. "Baptism" is only indirectly related because some insist that that's its meaning.

Yep, the Word and the Spirit are two separate "Persons" of "the Trinity", and yet they are bound tightly together, inseparable.

He means "water and Spirit" refers to the same birth--that there is no separate distinct "water birth".

So, the article says "water baptism is not spiritual baptism"? Well, John 3 is talking about a birth, so I would hope he would have something to say about the birth. To say "water baptism and spiritual baptism aren't the same" is directly relevant is to assume this has to do with baptism.

It's so obvious. I don't understand peoples' need to deny. I guess they are just so proud they came up with, invented, an idea, rather than letting the author come up with ideas for us and feed us like baby birds.

This is an error called "begging the question".

The problem with your analysis is that the principle "flesh gives birth to flesh" extends to Gentiles as well--they, too, are only flesh, and need to be born again in order to enter the Kingdom--and, again, if "John's water baptism of repentance" was the way "fleshly sons of Abraham" were...

What do you mean "the" water birth? What are you importing to the text?

John's Gospel. Shocking you don't know that. The Old way was the Law, the New way is the Spirit writing the laws of God on our minds and hearts Jeremiah 31:31-34 Romans 2:14-15 Romans 2:26-27. 1. Above given. 2. The Apostles received the Spirit on Pentecost, the same day as it is...

The references you had never substantiated your claim "natural birth was normally referred to as born of water--that's how they said it in ancient Israel, you just don't understand with your Western mind". Since you admit you're "out of ammo" though I'll take it you're admitting you have no...

You can't drink of the Spirit except by faith in the Word. Drinking the Word of the Spirit is drinking the Spirit. As Christ told the woman at the well. Then later "whoever believes from his belly will flow rivers of living water this He spoke concerning the Spirit". You're just denying the...

Paul expands on John's unwritten thought (John wasn't written yet)... in Romans... this should be "interesting". No, as it turns out, he doesn't. 1. That's all well and good but you didn't show "natural birth" was referred to as "born of water" which was the consequential claim (the rest is...

The Spirit is not only closely associated with water in John's Gospel but also compared to wind and fire. Elementals. Also literally "water... spoke of the Spirit" but yeah just throw that in the trash doesn't matter what the author thought you have better ideas.