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LOL He will send His disciples to hell fire? "Oh, what a tangled web we weave..."

You asked why I didn't want to cite it. I told you why. Yes, in order to get inside of them it does have to get on them. This was the fulfillment of Joel's prophecy that God would pour out His Spirit on all flesh and that men would prophesy--that is an internal work as referred to in 1...

Of course God does it--that's exactly what I've said. Just as it wasn't Paul who sinned but sin in him, so, also, since we are "in Christ", where the Law of the Spirit of Life is, it isn't us working, it is God working--and still we are told "obey for it is God at work" Philippians 2:12-13.

Well, when you consider what you're supposed to do is love God and others and do right why wouldn't that be filled with hope and love and faith? Oh, I wouldn't want to sound like Jesus or anything! Matthew 7:14 For the gate is narrow and the way is constricted that leads to life, and there...

I've already shared these things with you many times but you haven't paid attention. Hope you pay attention this time. 1 Peter 1:23 ...for you have been born again not of seed which is perishable, but imperishable, that is, through the living and enduring word of God "My Word is Spirit" John...

I only took issue with the way you put it not with the idea that the Bible is consistent--also I disagree with your mishandling of the Scriptures.

I've already explained what it is comparable to--the Jews' deliverance from Egypt the House of Bondage. Jesus destroys the body of sin and places us in Himself so that we can be delivered from sin. "Whoever sins is a slave of sin." Our "salvation" is as the Jews' deliverance from Egypt. Still...

I won't lose the forest for the trees. The entire context of the conversation, and of the book, show me "water and Spirit" refers to the new birth. By your reasoning, "He will baptize you with Spirit and fire" isn't a single baptism--but it is.

So "He will baptize you in Spirit and fire"... is fire different from the Spirit or didn't the disciples have tongues of fire when they were baptized with the Spirit? Isn't God a consuming fire and the Spirit is the Spirit of God the consuming fire? Come on, man, it's so obvious.

I invite anyone to go look at all of his citations so that you can see he offered no proof that "born of water" was a normative way of referring to "natural birth". I go by what the author provides me with--"water... spoke of the Spirit".

It does not follow from the idea that we must trust and obey (which I've proven--you've had no defense for your position) that this obedience must be characterized by "struggling"--actually, from what I understand, it is to be characterized by hope and love as I've detailed.

Well, again, "water... this He spoke of the Spirit" is in the same book, I don't need to go anywhere else.

No, being born of the Word and Spirit is one new birth--you receive the Spirit by receiving the Word of the Spirit. I've explained this many times yet you want to pretend for the sake of your argument (forget about truth--you have to be right) that I haven't. You haven't shown anything from...

As Hebrews 10:36-39 details.

Well, this thing you "got" is something you need to throw back. LOL

More empty assertions.

"Flesh gives birth to flesh" had to do with Nicodemus's "Can a man re-enter his mother's womb and be 'born again'?" misunderstanding, nothing else.

Your definition of "saved" is incomplete truncated and therefore sub-Biblical.

The Jews were "saved" from slavery in Egypt by "the blood of the Lamb" and still fell under God's wrath because of how they misbehaved--according to Paul this was written to us so that we would be warned and not do the same and so suffer the same fate of not inheriting the promise just as they...

Also, you are assuming incorrectly that once we believe it is "locked in"--that is not the case, instead, we need endurance or else our hearts may be hardened by sin and become wicked hearts of unbelief whereby we fall away from the living God Hebrews 3:12-13. Jesus speaks of the different...