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@Eternally Grateful If we say we haven't sinned, we are making God out to be a liar, and His Word does not abide in us. 1 John 1:10.

Here you imply that you sin: Here you are explicit that you sin. Conclusions: 1. You do sin. 2. Your interpretation of 1 John is erroneous.

It warns about deception from people claiming to speak on God's behalf, and then it warns of the sinfulness, and resulting hatred, that will result from the sin, and then it says "but those who endure until the end will be saved", and you seriously want me to believe this is about physical...

@Eternally Grateful Does Romans 14:23 not reach justification is affected by sin? Why does it say sin results in condemnation? Isn't it true that this is the uniform teaching of Scripture--sin affects your standing before God?

So, yep, there is a future salvation. Reread 1 Corinthians, it says they were condemned bexause of their evil works. The reason he brings it up is because the Church needed to repent. 2 Corinthians shows it yielded the intended effect. Sorry, that's not 1 Corinthians 10's argument;it argues...

1. No, that's incorrect about the context of Mt 24--the verses immediately prior warn of false prophets misleading many and that as a result of their misleading the love of many will grow cold. That's talking about enduring in faith and righteousness in order to be saved from God's wrath on the...

1. Christ says "the one who endures to the end will be saved" so there are no disciples who are not awaiting a future salvation. "Had you understood" that our "salvation" "by the blood of the Lamb" was comparable to the salvation of the Jews from Egyptian slavery but that afterward they still...

1. I thought you were just rejecting it, so I was prepared to accept that. lol 2. To be clear, it is not my view that the word "water" can only ever refer to a spiritual reality, only that it seems to here, because Jesus is countering Nicodemus's misunderstanding of what "born again" meant ("Not...

Well "Spirit and fire" has a preposition.

Johannine Comma doesn't include 1 John 5:6 it's 7-8.

That was the current NA.

I leave it up to the readers to decide for themselves who they will believe based on our discussion thanks.

So it's wrong for them to translate "he" (1 Jn 5:6) as "the"?

Sounds good.

You and I have expressed our views so we can let the readers decide from here on out.

I did engage by shooting the whole argument down with one easy verse. "Work smarter not harder." :) Why draw a distinction between what is necessary for others versus ourselves? Isn't being productive in the knowledge of the Lord necessary for salvation?

It's irreducibly complex : Nicodemus is still thinking of natural birth (out of a woman's womb), and Jesus corrects him : "No, spiritual birth." At no point is the issue of "baptism" raised. "Flesh births flesh" is a woman's womb giving birth to a child. There's nothing left to say. If you...

You have nothing to say. You want to have something to say. Anyway... Jesus talks with Nicodemus about Nicodemus's misunderstanding about going back into his mother's womb. Sorry you can't accept plain Scripture because you want to be a praiseworthy "innovator".

No, that must be yourself You're already tripped up over Scripture now you're tripped up over your own misunderstandings of Scripture. Stop. Just stop.

As I said before, it's complete nonsense, and there's nothing really to talk about concerning it other than waste my time reiterating the context of the conversation from John's Gospel.