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It seems the two are tightly bound together. "My Words are Spirit". Jesus, the Word : "I am the Truth". 1 John 5 : "the Spirit is the Truth". The "living water" seems to be the Words of the Spirit. With all this, it is acknowledged that the Word and the Spirit are distinct... yet inseparable.

That's precisely my point : justifying faith seems to include works of faith (Romans 4 "steps of faith of Abraham") because failure to walk by faith compromises justification. "Works of Law" are done "under Law" by "slaves" in "fear", they are produced by "sinful flesh" Romans 8:3 Galatians 3:3...

1. 1 Corinthians 10 says it does apply because it was written for us, and 2 Timothy 3:15 says the Scriptures teach us about the faith in Christ. 2. Deuteronomy 14:1 says "you are children of the LORD" yet Deuteronomy 32:5 says "they are no longer His Children" and this dynamic (where His...

God is a consuming fire, they were immersed in the Spirit of God the consuming fire--one and the same baptism.

I don't want to get into it (it's off topic) but I did cite the verse "they are no longer His Children" Deuteronomy 32:5. I may have a thread for it.

According to Romans 14:23 the Christian is capable of being condemned and it is because of sin which is defined as "anything that does not proceed from faith" which Jesus says is "anything that is beyond 'yes, yes' or 'no, no'". No problem for my view.

1. Strawman--I've already stated I believe we're saved. 2. The point stands : God says "do your part--'"obey" because God is working'".

It is important to note that the branches issue from the Vine--they have to have life to "grow" from the Vine. They have life. They lose life for not abiding. Simple--on my view, at least.

Yes, actually, He does say "do yours"--"obey for it is God at work" Philippians 2:12-13 "co-laborers with God", etc.

Well, what does "condemned" mean in Romans 14:23 if it doesn't mean "justification is compromised" since justification and condemnation are opposite verdicts the Judge can render? The life is in the Son : abide in the Son to retain the life, if not you lose the life as well.

1. You should know that merely citing Protestants is meaningless to a Protestant--you yourselves love to criticize Protestantism as having tens of thousands of denominations. 2. "The one who believes out of his inner being will flow rivers of living water"--the Gentiles in Acts 10 believed and...

My God promises "if any branch does not abide in Me he dries up and is cast into the fire". Your "god" never said that I guess.

So, you claimed I was having Scripture contradict Scripture, but I showed how they do not contradict, but dovetail, and you never explained how my reconciliation of those seemingly disparate ideas was supposed to be wrong. I have the problem that I want to believe ALL of Scripture whereas you...

I see you have posted some Catholic stuff here--which to me is irrelevant.

All right. Yeah, I don't see that. That was the Spirit being poured out on all flesh--as Christ said "the one who believes out of his belly will flow rivers of living water (this He spoke of the Spirit)" so they had rivers of living water flowing from their inner beings. Paul is referring to...

God's perspective is His Word which is what I cite for my beliefs not logic and philosophy like you are doing "God is outside time, blah blah blah".

Did Jesus lie when He said there are branches that issue from the Vine which fail to abide and so are eventually thrown in the fire? You just like one verse but not the other?

Since you chose not to address what was written here it is again.

Actually, the "then" is that your definition for "saved" is incorrect.

Romans 8:3 We who walk after the Spirit fulfill the righteous requirement of the Law.