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I guess because of the REBT Classes I have facilitated, I seldom expect the initial subject of any discussion to be the limited focus of further conversation. In fact, IRL, the first things mentioned or brought up are very seldom the important issues that subsequently wind up being drawn out...

You and I seem to see the same thing on that last part. I get a bit weary in not being able to simply say something without first anticipating, and guarding for, at least six or eight different scenarios in which it will be torn apart as meaning something I never intended. "People can hurt...

Pm. Where do you come up with some of these things? The Papacy is the antichrist??????

Don't forget, unlike today, the main religious leaders were far from welcoming of them, so of course they weren't going to be allowed to build any dedicated buildings.

Can it be we actually totally agree on something?!?!?

Most people who find themselves on trial for murder (or any number of things) likewise, never thought they could ever do such a thing.

Probably not, Fran. I am actually learning to respect a lot of Uisdean's opinions.

Sorry, I guess I foolishly thought any of this is, first of all, about the children.... not trying to nail any particular hide up on the wall.

I never have any objection to "derailing." As long as it is real and attempts to find a constructive direction. Although those don't seem to always be *Stranger's* objectives, he has a right to go down any trail he wishes. I just wish he could be a bit more "real", instead of just being...

I'm sorry, maybe I didn't ask that clearly enough..... I wondered if ANYONE, Catholic, Protestant, or Atheist, would get around to telling us what they tried to do to see that those kids were never molested in the first place.

Is anyone going to tell us what they did to protect those molested children?

How did the Gadarene "repent?" How did the Leapers "repent?" How did the various blind people "repent?" How did the man let down through the roof "repent?" And the list goes on and on. Occasionally, Jesus even came right out and told them that by being healed, they were forgiven. And the...

I hope next time you will pause a second or two and see who it is that is posting. Byrdd and I (and a few others) often post absurd "fake statements" like that, assuming most people know us and will catch the "sarcastic absurdity" of such an obviously wild statement we might make. :)

I don't often agree with you, but I think you nailed an important point right there. Moreover, our own congress, largely a laughing stock of dottering old (and young) fools, is currently making the Roman Senate look they were honest and respectable.

Yes, I am absolutely hoping to show the ridiculousness of searching Scripture to try and locate a "proper formula of verbal speech pattern" that legitimizes a person's baptism.

I think it is a great Bible.

In his defense, although done a little wrong, I really do think he was only trying to be humorous. Can we nip this one in the bud? Is that possible? (It's going to take all of us trying.)

That's OK. I missed the picking up by the "head" or "tail" part.

If the person baptizing you couldn't speak, you would really be in trouble come judgement day...…. "The proper words weren't spoken... I never knew you!!!"

I wonder if "The Upper Room" was a home?