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No it says that WHOEVER believes is not condemned, they will NEVER DIE, and they will LIVE FOREVER it says WHOEVER does not believe is condemned already, Or whoever does not obey (the gospel) is condemned already and the wrath of God abides. it does not say if we believe, but then if we disobay.

Amen I also get sick of works as required to keep oneself saved, taking focus off God and putting it on the believer. Paul hated it also. He wrote half the NY tryign to defeat it. It’s sad here almost 2000 years later. it is still as powerful an argument as it was in Pauls day

Once again Works are not required. they are a bypriduct. They will happen when you use the word required. You take the power of God away, and insert the power of self. And you have a bunch of foolish people who are being good only because they are trying to stay saved, not because they...

They are the most legalistic church in the world. They are modern day jews. Now granted, if I was going to try to earn my salvation, I would be catholic. They have the most ways, and just in case they did nto do enough while they are alive, they have purgatory. But they are leading people to...

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And here she is..

Again, Paul answers this question. for it is by GRACE we have been saved (A completed action) through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 Not of works lest anyone should boast (take credit for saving themselves by their works) 10 For we (those who are saved by Grace...

You’re right, in actual words it does nto say it. Yet it does nto say the word trinity either, Yet I pray you believe in that By grace through faith not works Here we have the gospel. By grace alone, through faith alone..not of works period It does not have to say alone in order for it to be...

James is Not tryign to define works He is tryign to define faith. What does it PROFIT a person if he says he has faith but has no works, CAN THIS FAITH SAVE HIM. its not about works, its about faith and he is telling his readers to test their own faith - I will show you my faith by my works...

I see it differently I see two maybe three groups. 1 group pushes works, and says if you do not work, you will not be saved. the other group pushes grace and say if you work to try to earn it you will nto be saved, However, true salvation produces true works (Ie true faith and works go...

Again what is the motivation a work is a work is a work. Paul said in romans 4 as well as eph 2. It is something in which you can boast of. What about works enables us to boast?

But what is our motivation for doing those things thats where we get down to the nitty Gritty as far as works goes.

You can not make James and paul contradict though. In doing this you might as well throw the whole bible out Can you find context in james to make him not contradict paul in eph 2, Titus 3, Romans 4 and many other places? I think we can

we can deduct when the scripture says we are saved By grace and not works. That it can only be one or the other. Remember, Paul said it is through Grace, Not by faith we are saved. He also said if it is grace it isNo longer works. Otherwise grace is no longer grace. I honestly am not sure...

How can you possibly speak against self righteousness when it is the base root of everything you teach You no different really than the rest of the worlds religions. It’s all about us. Do good deeds be holy and God will let you in The fact that we are all guilty and have to be saved means...

I would be pointing the finger to you then You leave people on spiritual poverty. It’s all about you. The United States is walking right down your path it’s all about us.

Just look at the US right now.. Talk about to much being a bad thing, we are so spoiled we do not realise how poor (spiritually and emotionally) we are

hey we agree And you continue to help the church n its down word spiral of self righteousness.

well since your whole gospel is imaginative religious ity (look at me God. I am holy like you. So you MUST SAVE ME) your right, the truth is dangerous to you. Thats why you lash out at anyone who apposes you The fact you come at me,I must be doing pretty good. No. You pray for young people to...

That may be because you are stuck in a doctrinal issue that is non supported and has no bearing of reality There is grace there is easy believism (licentiousness) and there is works (religion) if you can’t see three. Then I do not know how to help you. Your second one is in so much deep...