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If that is the way you want to see it, that is up to you. But, for me, I WILL NOT let that scornful pompous spirit in me. Been there, done that, but I had to repent. If the Bible tells us anything, it is that God is consistently full of surprises, outside our narrow-mindedness, not consistently...

In Christian circles there is a thin line between discernment of spirits and being a scornful doubting mocker. Psalms 1 says, Blessed is the man Who walks not in the counsel of the ungodly, Nor stands in the path of sinners, Nor sits in the seat of the scornful; 2 But his delight is in the law...

Hi Heart What I love about the Spirit is that He changes us right away. Look at the Corinthians. Some of them were actually homosexuals and worshipers of a pagan religion, and were completely delivered! Yes, they still were immature, but the Spirit killed their biggest sins. They also had a...

Thanks. Actually, I see justification as the point where our sins are remembered no more. No matter what awful things we did in our life before Christ, Jesus takes the sin nature that produced those sins and killed it on the cross with Him, resurrecting a new nature in Christ. What I see at that...

Thats just it. Is the process we call sanctification actually glorification?

Exactly! Only the blood of bulls and goats "covered" sins. Jesus took our sins away, which is why I hate it when I hear Christians use the term "covers" sin in relation to what Jesus accomplished. But I would go further and say He took away our sin nature that spews out sin non stop. That is why...

Yes, that is true. But what I want to know is does scripture say we are being glorified NOW while we are still living. I'm not talking about our bodies, but our souls. You are talking as if it is all in the future when Christ comes. If we are going from glory to glory, then part of glory is now.

Okay, after you are dead.

Can you show me in scripture that glorification is only in the afterlife? And I'm not talking about being a literal light bulb. I never did.

We weren't talking about witnesses, but "race." The process.

That is judged by God. We are all capable of sinning intentionally or else Paul wouldn't warn to fervently against quenching the Spirit in that way. It is certainly not something that everyone does though.

Never heard of it.

Are you saying that someone is saying that the body is emanating light, such as energy. I must have missed that post.

Wonderful verse, Romans 8:29-30 Thank you very much. That helps a lot in my studies on glorification.

Not, intentionally. Otherwise the warnings are meaningless. The works of the flesh are evident, and those who do them shall not inherit the Kingdom of God.

Yes, I see it a bit differently, but have been having that same question. My question is, if we are dead to sin Romans 6:2, and are not in the flesh but in the Spirit Romans 8:9, then that takes care of willful sins that our sin nature produced, but that leaves a question regarding our...

The question then becomes what does it mean to believe? It certainly doesn't mean that you know Jesus is the Son of God - even the demons know that much and tremble. So you have to ask yourself what did Jesus come to do? He was manifest to take away our sin, and in him there is no sin. And what...

I think he is quoting Galatians 2:20 and Romans 6.

That is clearer. Thank you. Glad you are not a Universalist, but frankly I couldn't tell before.

You are still talking riddles. My question is not that hard to give a clear answer. If, as you say, justification is at the cross, then are we involved at all? Are all saved? Or must each person repent first before justification applies to them. And if no process is involved, is each person a...