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I quoted historical sources. If any of it is wrong, prove it.

Thank you. I have never heard that term before. That term leads me to one big question: When does this "progressive revelation" end? That question isn't necessarily for you to answer; just a question in my head. Martin Luther disagreed with The Church and modified some Church teachings...

Time for a Protestant history lesson: Reformer Zwingili: Conrad Grebel, Felix Manz, and about 13 other of Zwingli's followers didn’t feel the Reformation was going far enough so they reformed Zwingli's teachings. These 15 reformers of Zwingli's teachings felt betrayed by Zwingli and Zwingli...

Hi, My idea is that souls in heaven are aware of what occurs to us souls here on earth. My two cents worth....Mary

Good morning backlit, Every original Reformer had a man who reformed him and then another man reformed him etc. etc. to the point that their is no truth...just every mans opinion. sooooo which reformer do you choose as having the truth? You choose you as having the truth. You are your own...

Hi DNB, I just stumbled upon this debate between you and @soul and felt I needed to comment. Soul gave multiple passages from Scripture to back up what he/she believes and you gave your opinion to back up what you believe. I think this round goes to soul.... Round 2??? :rolleyes:

Ummmmm......at first she did not know "the manner that this would come to pass". That is why she said "how can this be for I do not know man". Sooooo she DIDN'T know she was going to be impregnated by supernatural means like you suggested. If she knew that she wouldn't have made that statement...

Thanks for the translation. :rolleyes: My eyes have been opened and your right....I don't. Mary

I will not waste my time addressing the flat out lies in your last paragraph. I know you will never apologize for them since you truly believe them. As for the rest of your post you sprinkled in some truth but twisted other words to fit what you believe instead of what Scripture teaches: 2...

Lol.....I don't need to go back and read what you stated. I know you never said that "you interpret Scripture". Your playing a word game and that's fine. Your saying that Scripture is interpreted by the Holy Spirit thru you which means I should believe every word that comes out of your mouth...

Hi JunChosen, I have heard this argument before and I am still kind of 50-50 on it. When I search that verse it does show some translations the way you suggested but most translations don't show it that way. None the less it makes no difference because the outcome is the same: The Church is...

Soooo FINALLY we agree...anyone that adheres to Catholic doctrine, which are of course the elect, is the group that adhere to the testimony of Christ.....

You make a very good point DNB. You have defended your position well. I am sure the "plan" was to consummate their marriage. However, You in no way think that plan changed once Joseph found out Mary was pregnant with the son of God? They decided "once we get this kid out of my belly we can...

Soooo you found a Protestant theologian that you agree with. I bet I can find many more that you don't agree with....;) I desire truth and not your fables kiddo.....

Thank you Bobby Jo. God willing one day we will fulfill Jesus prayer that we all become One. Love the picture of the Boston Terrier. I have one. He is 13 yoa and IF I was to get another dog it would be another Boston Terrier. God Bless.....Mary

Sure...no problem. question 1: Do you accept that Jesus is the only source of Salvation? To say that Jesus is the only source of salvation is to say that people who were never told about Jesus will not be saved. Question #2: Do you accept that Jesus name is above all names even that of Mary? Yes

Hi Enoch, You should get with your Protestant brothers who are Christian historians and despise The Church like you do because they would disagree with you. Just like Catholic and agnostic historians would disagree with you and your theory. Who taught you that? Curious Mary

The teaching that Mary is a perpetual virgin has absolutely nothing to do with those two questions.

Sentence #4 addresses that.

Thank you B5 for your heartfelt response. There are many things in it that I agree with. Do you think that your stated belief, of which I quoted, are at odds with the following passages: 1 Timothy 4:16: Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou...