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  1. Spiritual Israelite

    Why the great chain?

    According to Premill, the prison itself is already locked, so why would Satan need to be bound with a chain like that if he is already locked within the prison? That makes no sense. That would be overkill for no reason. According to Premill, the purpose of Satan's binding is to prevent him from...
  2. Spiritual Israelite

    Why the great chain?

    What is the Premill explanation for the purpose of the great chain? That is what this thread is about and no Premill seems to be able to answer that question. If the purpose of the binding of Satan is to prevent him from deceiving anyone or doing anything at all on the earth, wouldn't him being...
  3. Spiritual Israelite

    The "sudden destruction" from which unbelievers "will not escape" on the day of the Lord will be caused by fire coming down on the earth.

    You keep saying that, but what does it even mean? Scripture says he destroyed the earth with the flood, but that obviously doesn't mean He annihilated planet earth. If you're simply saying that it doesn't say the planet earth will be destroyed in the sense of being annihilated, then I've made it...
  4. Spiritual Israelite

    The "sudden destruction" from which unbelievers "will not escape" on the day of the Lord will be caused by fire coming down on the earth.

    These discussions are very pointless unless we define terms. How are you defining the word "destroyed"? Obviously, we're not talking about annihilation here. But, many things on the surface of the earth, including plants, trees, animals, humans, buildings, etc. were destroyed by the flood. So...
  5. Spiritual Israelite

    The "sudden destruction" from which unbelievers "will not escape" on the day of the Lord will be caused by fire coming down on the earth.

    That is clearly symbolic. Again, clearly symbolic. Symbolic. Symbolic. All of those are contained within the most highly symbolic book in the Bible except for 2nd Thessalonians. The brightness of His coming is kind of a vague reference, so it's hard to say what that means exactly. In...
  6. Spiritual Israelite

    Why the great chain?

    They are included, but it's talking about all unbelievers, whether they had fallen away or not. All unbelievers are children of the devil (1 John 3:10). Revelation 20 is not talking about Satan's general ability to deceive, it's talking about his ability to deceive people in the sense of...
  7. Spiritual Israelite

    Why the great chain?

    He has no understanding of Amil and that's why he misrepresents it so often. He tries to argue against it, but it's not possible to argue against something that he doesn't even understand.
  8. Spiritual Israelite

    Why the great chain?

    Not as you understand it, but your understanding that the binding of Satan prevents him from deceiving at all is flawed. And you never answered my question about what you think Satan is able to do while bound since you did say that you don't believe he is completely incapacitated while bound, as...
  9. Spiritual Israelite

    Why the great chain?

    This discussion is pointless because we disagree on what it means for Satan to deceive the nations (ethnos). In the way I understand that, it's perfectly reasonable that Satan can make war on the saints at the same time he is bound because I don't see his binding as being a case of him being...
  10. Spiritual Israelite

    The "sudden destruction" from which unbelievers "will not escape" on the day of the Lord will be caused by fire coming down on the earth.

    The planet earth and the heavens will pass away in terms of how they are now and will be regenerated/renewed in the form of the new heavens and new earth where only righteousness will dwell.
  11. Spiritual Israelite

    The "sudden destruction" from which unbelievers "will not escape" on the day of the Lord will be caused by fire coming down on the earth.

    Do you see the fire as being literal, physical fire or do you see it only as being figurative? It's clear to me that Peter compared a future literal, physical, global destruction event to a past one (the flood in Noah's day) in 2 Peter 3:6-7.
  12. Spiritual Israelite

    The "sudden destruction" from which unbelievers "will not escape" on the day of the Lord will be caused by fire coming down on the earth.

    I didn't prove myself wrong. You are just not wanting to acknowledge that the earth and the world can mean the same thing. A reference to the earth being destroyed does not have to refer to the entire earth including its core, etc. It can refer to the surface of the earth and the things (plants...
  13. Spiritual Israelite

    Why the great chain?

    Do you think anything had to be done in relation to Satan in order to allow for Gentiles to be saved on a larger scale instead of just a few Gentiles being saved here and there as was the case in Old Testament times? Would you agree that the power of death had to be taken from him in order for...
  14. Spiritual Israelite

    Why the great chain?

    LOL. Do you have to misunderstand everything you read? I'm sure PinSeeker is not claiming that Jesus is an angel. The Greek word can mean "messenger" and does not have to refer to an angel. I'm sure PinSeeker sees it in that sense rather than implying that he believes Jesus is an angel.
  15. Spiritual Israelite

    Why the great chain?

    Did you even read Matthew 16:18? It says the gates of hell will not prevail against the church. It doesn't say the gates of hell will not prevail against the spreading of the gospel. Do you believe that the power of death had to be taken away from Satan in order to allow for the spreading of...
  16. Spiritual Israelite

    Why the great chain?

    You are interpreting the text contained within the most highly symbolic book in the Bible as literally as you possibly can. That is not reading what is written, that is you deciding to use a flawed hyper-literal interpretive approach to the text. And, you are a Premillennialist whether you want...
  17. Spiritual Israelite

    Why the great chain?

    So, you think Satan, a spirit being, will have his arms and legs (do spirit beings have arms and legs?) chained up? That's quite a stretch. Why would you take that text so literally when it's contained within the most highly symbolic book in the entire Bible? Explain how that makes any sense...
  18. Spiritual Israelite

    The "sudden destruction" from which unbelievers "will not escape" on the day of the Lord will be caused by fire coming down on the earth.

    You didn't really answer my question. Do you not take the description of the heavens being dissolved literally, either? Yes or no? If you do take that literally, then I see no reason for not taking the elements being dissolved literally as well. Peter was not talking about literal fire in one...
  19. Spiritual Israelite

    The "sudden destruction" from which unbelievers "will not escape" on the day of the Lord will be caused by fire coming down on the earth.

    The earth and the world are synonyms in this case. The earth/world was destroyed by the flood. The flood waters affected the entire earth/world, in other words, resulting in mass global destruction. The fire that will come down when Jesus returns will likewise affect the entire earth surface...
  20. Spiritual Israelite

    The "sudden destruction" from which unbelievers "will not escape" on the day of the Lord will be caused by fire coming down on the earth.

    Do you not take the description of the heavens being dissolved literally, either? If you do take that literally, then I see no reason for not taking the elements being dissolved literally as well. To me, either everything described in 2 Peter 3:10-12 is literal or it's all figurative. I believe...