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  1. Spiritual Israelite

    This is what Jesus meant when He said "My kingdom is not of this world" (John 18:36)

    I have seen a few false interpretations of John 18:36 being shared on this forum, so I thought I would show the correct interpretation of the verse. John 18:36 Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I should not be...
  2. Spiritual Israelite

    My personal eclectic view

    Exactly. Throughout scripture, salvation is something that is on an individual basis between God and each individual person, but somehow Paul decided to ignore all that and make salvation a national issue in Romans 11:26? No. Scripture is clear that God is not a respecter of persons (does not...
  3. Spiritual Israelite

    WHAT????? CHURCH FATHERS WERE PRETRIB ???

    Because some people see what they want to see instead of looking at the actual context. Nonsense. The same 2,000 year gap between Luke 21:20-24a and Luke 21:27 is the gap between Matthew 24:15-22 and Matthew 24:30. Speaking of "plainly obvious", it is plainly obvious that Luke 21:20-24 is a...
  4. Spiritual Israelite

    The post-trib rapture will occur on the day that Jesus will come "to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who believe"

    You are delusional. You have deceived yourself into thinking that you have eschatology all figured out, but you know nothing as far as eschatology is concerned. Of course, those who are delusional are never aware of that.
  5. Spiritual Israelite

    The post-trib rapture will occur on the day that Jesus will come "to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who believe"

    LOL. Keep on denying the truth, if you insist. That's your choice. I can't stop you. It very clearly says that they literally watched Him as He ascended from the earth, but go ahead and deny that if you want to continue making false claims.
  6. Spiritual Israelite

    The post-trib rapture will occur on the day that Jesus will come "to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who believe"

    The context is that they will be, which is why some translations say "will be" instead of "may be". 2 Thessalonians 2:12 (NIV): 11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12 and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have...
  7. Spiritual Israelite

    My personal eclectic view

    I do not believe in replacement theology. That is a false and foolish claim. I do NOT believe that the Church has replaced Israel as God's chosen people. I believe that God's chosen people have ALWAYS been those who have faith. What I believe is that Gentile believers have been joined together...
  8. Spiritual Israelite

    The post-trib rapture will occur on the day that Jesus will come "to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who believe"

    You are not reading the text carefully at all. It specifically says they will be condemned. Hello? Stop skimming over the text and read it carefully. 2 Thessalonians 2:9 The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through...
  9. Spiritual Israelite

    My personal eclectic view

    I know what the discussion is about. I'm adding to the discussion by showing you that a good number of Israelites have been saved the past almost 2,000 years, which means you should not be acting as if that is not the case and that none of them will be saved until some future time.
  10. Spiritual Israelite

    My personal eclectic view

    Yes, I know that. I say no, also. God does not show partiality when it comes to salvation and scripture is clear that salvation is an individual thing, not a national thing. There is no such thing as replacement theology. That's an offensive term that dispensationalists made up to misrepresent...
  11. Spiritual Israelite

    WHAT????? CHURCH FATHERS WERE PRETRIB ???

    Once again, you were unable to answer a simple question. Until you start showing that you can answer simple questions, you are not to be taken seriously.
  12. Spiritual Israelite

    The post-trib rapture will occur on the day that Jesus will come "to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who believe"

    He said His kingdom did not come with observation and that is true. It's a spiritual kingdom, not a physical kingdom, and we're in His kingdom spiritually now. But, in terms of His future second coming, scripture says that He will come from heaven in the same manner that He ascended there (Acts...
  13. Spiritual Israelite

    The post-trib rapture will occur on the day that Jesus will come "to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who believe"

    Is there something you didn't understand about my having said I'm not going to waste any more time on you? I would like to get feedback from some pre-tribs about what I said in the original post since the purpose of this thread is to refute the pre-trib rapture view.
  14. Spiritual Israelite

    My personal eclectic view

    A good number of them have been getting saved in an ongoing basis for the past almost 2,000 years, so why do you only talk about their salvation in a future sense? About 3,000 of them were saved on the day of Pentecost alone.
  15. Spiritual Israelite

    Let's examine Revelation 20:4 yet again.

    Do you understand it? How do you interpret that?
  16. Spiritual Israelite

    Let's examine Revelation 20:4 yet again.

    This is a blatant misrepresentation of Amill. Amills do NOT claim that His kingdom is of this world. We claim it is not of this world, just as Jesus said. You obviously don't understand what Jesus said when He said His kingdom is not of this world. He wasn't saying that His kingdom was not in...
  17. Spiritual Israelite

    When Might Satan With His Angels Come to This Earth For the Tribulation?

    Wrong. Paul indicated that there are three heavens, with the third heaven also being known as paradise. 2 Corinthians 12:2 I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. Whether it was in the body or out of the body I do not know—God knows. 3 And I know that...
  18. Spiritual Israelite

    When Might Satan With His Angels Come to This Earth For the Tribulation?

    Nonsense. It talks about Satan being cast out from where he accused believers before God and that was the third heaven, not the second heaven. God dwells in the third heaven. Revelation 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our...
  19. Spiritual Israelite

    Let's examine Revelation 20:4 yet again.

    You ignore that Jesus also sometimes put all people into two groups, such as when He said "He who is not with me is against me" (Matthew 12:30). All people are either with Jesus or against Him. The sheep in Matthew 25:31-46 are with Him (all believers are His sheep - John 10) and the goats are...
  20. Spiritual Israelite

    Let's examine Revelation 20:4 yet again.

    I'll tell you what is absurd. The idea that only Luke recorded the answer to the disciples question about when the temple buildings would be destroyed, as you believe. It is absolutely absurd to claim, as you do, that Matthew and Mark did not record Jesus's answer to that question. Tell me, at...