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remember we work out our salvation that we have, not to earn it we fear and tremble because we are lights in the world.. the world looks to us as Gods children. God wants to use us to draw them to himself. if we do nto work out our salvation. we will not be lights, and God will not be able to...

I think in Jesus words. where he said he never knew you. He ment they never had a relationship. And in Johns words. that they were never of us (these are johns words) he meant they never truly belonged to the group we are in, the fellowship. the church, the body.. That they were impostors. make...

But if Jesus paid the price we could never pay we could never be worthy on our own to earn what He paid. Now I try my best to be worthy of the rewards I may recieve, and worthy of my calling (to bear fruit and to win spiritual victory over Gods enemies0 But to think I can ever be worthy to...

Its sad people believe God makes mistakes and saves people who will end up not being worthy because they sin to much or walk away.

Nope John said they were never of us. Keep trying, you may get it..

lol, he added to his list. he now says people who lie and walk in darkness and do not practice the truth are saved :hmhehm

Well I never made such a statemement. So as usual. You make yourself look bad by continually point out things which are not true You have not proven anything, but you believe deceived people and people who call God a liar are saved, Then you yell at us.. who believe otherwise.

lol. Your stuck on one things he said (confess our sins) and not the rest of the passage. Then you say I have not proven something. They were never of us.. who is they? People who were with us (cl;aimed to be saved) then walked awa. and now are against christ. They did nto lose salvation...

Is this what the text says? It says the prince who is to come (the roman prince of the people who destroyed the city in 70 AD) would confirm a ccovenant with many for 1 week. In the middle of that week. he would put an abomination which causes desolation in the wing of the temple (most holy...

Which is what I said, Thank you if we look at it, the time period between when artexerxes gave Nehemiah the command to restore Jerusalem. And the time Jesus entered Jerusalem on a donkey is literally 69 weeks. He was killed the following week on the cross. No. Messiah the prince is the one...

same can be said of you this is a non responsive statement

I guess if you want to force your belief on a passage you can do this. But I do not believe people who are deceived or Call God a liar are saved.

How about John 1.. If we say we have no sin we deceive ourselves. and there is no truth in us (are these people saved without the truth) If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar - are these people saved? I doubt it.. if we say we have fellowship yet walk in darkness - Again, is this a...

You missed the whole point They were of us They left us They left to prove they were never of us. They now deny Christ (hence they are called antichrist - against-Christ) these people were not believers/saved then walked away and lost salvation. they never had it,.

I disagree with you. You do not understand it at all.. But thats beside the point.. It is not a valid argument to say someone is wrong with no proof.. that would go for both of us, so this is a silly argument

you can not have a rebirth unless you already had one birth. You got to be kidding me if you think the birth of the flesh (water) is not important. You would not be here if you were not born of the flesh (water)

If prophecy comes true because God forced it to come true. we have serious problems with God (If we do not we should) God is outside of time, he knows the future because he has seen it as if it has already happened..

this answers him how??

you have 2 births there.. Jesus said we must be born again (literally born a second time) he is explaining what this is. Jesus never mentioned baptism in the passage. You can;t force it into the text.

or maybe we do. and your denying it