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It hasn't been proved in court. I have no knowledge. The media always thinks it does. I still think more of a court's proof than the media's. I just don't know.

@Angelina Delicious....all those NZ dairy products... :)

In John's Gospel and the Epistles, Father, Son and Holy Spirit are so deeply present.

Here I forbear from commentary...

@Waiting on him Well... You've maybe raised a truly new aspect.... Some ppl seem to believe that you will be jinxed if you do get a tattoo. So you mean to say that some ppl also believe you will be jinxed if you don't? I guess my further 2c is that tattoos have become so culturally...

Oh, well, if she did, maybe the thread would multiply pages even faster than now......

Hi @Waiting on him The head covering thread has taken off so much that this tattoo thread seems to have been left behind... (Or maybe this is not a bad thing...?) cc @FluffyYellowDuck

@FluffyYellowDuck Does it really say that about Samuel? I'd missed that.....

Thanks for the thought-provoking comment and comparison, anyway...

I guess my thought is that the venerable great-grandmothers of today: in the mid-60s the hems of their skirts were up. Then after a few years they were down. Then they were up again. Then - like the Grand Old Duke of York - they were neither up not down, or both, or whatever. But this is not...

@Waiting on him '; @Hidden In Him PS: I guess angels as 'ministering spirits' and 'spiritual ministry' are close meanings.

I've long thought it refers to the spiritual element within the local church...

I can see that angels are 'ministering spirits' (Hebrews 1). Some of the implications of 'open for business' are hard to get one's mind around.....

Well, don't get electrocuted...

Was it Admiral Mahan or someone who famously said, That's the trouble with history; you end up annoying a lot of ppl along the way... (Similar comment for winds of doctrine by which ppl are tossed to and fro...)

@FluffyYellowDuck 5 pages already... :)

@Mayflower Thanks for the 'like'; I guess @FluffyYellowDuck 's comment also ties in with your Psalm 111 post on the other thread about the fear of the Lord.

I guess it would be hard to take this practical analogy too far today....

I do like the point about willingness and humility; this begins in the heart...

...easy to get off topic, I suppose....