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Religion!.....did Jesus have a religion? Didn't they murder him because he was irreligious?; broke their laws, was considered a blasphemer, hung out with the riff-raff, let women of ill repute touch him, was considered a gluten and a wine-bibber......ahhhhhh, it goes on and on!

Why are Threads Disappearing in the "Unorthodox forum? lol.....maybe 'Unorthodox' is revealing its true nature? :)

I figure the devil's got that one factored in, he's no dummy; and if thats the case, how are you going to tell?

Off the top of my head I can think of God using the Persian King Cyrus to show extraordinary favour to the Israelites, then I can think of the donkey talking to Balaam. There are other examples also which right now don't come to mind. I think God can use whoever/whatever he wants. This is...

sooo Peter, if 'in him' means being in the spirit, what would 'in Adam' mean?

I guess you can tell what I am interested in more than what I do myself?.....hmmmmm, I wish I had that ability!

The lack of 'with' is unfortunate Scott. I guess you prefer to talk at me?

G'day Mike, you'll find the thinkers here giving you an ear when you talk with them. Talking at them will make no mileage. I hope we are all richer for your contributions......and your ears!

'in his name' is the key. Work that out and it comes together.

I suppose the question arises, did he hang with them or did they hang with him?

Scotty, I know you're not a robot therefore I'm not asking you for a pre-programmed response. I'm asking you personally; as one who can think and determine for oneself ....'how do you see the character of God'?.....like, is he consistent, is he arbitrary, does he mirror the God's men have...

sooo, I will ask again; what is the nature of the character of God that you see? It's a personal question.

Ok, let me ask you this; what is the nature of God's character that you see? Is it one which is described to Moses on the mountain when God passed by him and reiterated by the reality of Jesus or is he (if I might use the term) 'schizophrenic' were his behaviour is unpredictable? or do you have...

Peter speaks about the planet being enveloped in fire so that the elements melt with fervent heat. Have you considered this fire could be man initiated? There is an account in the book of Revelation of the New Jerusalem coming down from Heaven and the wicked dead are resurrected. These then...

example:- being burnt by being in the presence of a powerful heater does not mean the heater deliberately burnt you. example:- you do not blame the water in which a man drowns......the same water is drank by others. I find it important to interpret the scriptures so they speak well of God. I do...

giving your life for others?

are you sure about that? I can think of several examples.

'God's wrath' or the 'wrath of God' is understood by what Paul wrote in Romans 1 ....ie, 'he gave them over'. This expression mentioned several times tells us he leaves them to the consequences of their choices.....this is the definition of 'the wrath of God' I'm sorry, you've missed my point...

Evil has in itself the seeds of its own destruction, Scott. They will cry for the rocks and the mountains to fall on them. However that works out, I don't think God will be active in destroying people; they will destroy themselves. Jesus will be seen coming in the clouds; it'll be a rescue...

The Ten Commandments altered?? Of course!...... It's been spoken about on this forum in various threads for years :ummm: Sooo, H2S, what are you angry about? that they were changed or that the change is exposed?