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You're not following. The sheep are not lost till they are lost. If they are in possession of the Father, then they are not lost. But once they are lost, then they must be found or redeemed. Do you see? You are making the sheep who haven't been lost as redeemed. Again, the prodigal...

And we are not told that Judas cast out any demons or healed anyone. Right...Judas is a devil. He doesn't become a devil. He is a devil. That is what he was when Christ chose him. Stranger

No, you are placing the believers in a saved state before they are lost. And they are not. Indeed they all belong to the Father, but they are not in a redeemed state prior to their being in a lost state. ANd that is what you are saying. Stranger

Answer my post #266. Stranger

Judas was a devil when Christ chose him. "and one of you is a devil" Stranger

Christ's words are clear. (John 6:70) "Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil? Judas was a devil when Christ chose him. 'Admitting'? I am not admitting. I am stating what I believe to be true in the Scriptures. More of your 'word gymnastics'. Stranger

No, just too far back to hunt down. Stranger

So, it still occurred long before satan entered Judas. Stranger

Nice grocery list. I remember that of you too. Stranger

Was that sheep in the wilderness redeemed before it was lost? Was that coin redeemed before it was lost? Was the son redeemed before he was lost? Pay attention. The prodigal son is a story of salvation. Being lost and found. It is not a story of being redeemed, then losing salvation, then...

It has been too long ago. But, I remember. Stranger

But Jesus said of Judas that he 'is' a devil. His comment to Peter was to satan who was influencing Peter. Stranger

Not so. We know the disciples cast out demons and healed the sick. Nothing is said who did what. And Jesus identified Judas as a devil long before the devil entered. (John 6:70) Stranger

Judas was a devil when Christ chose him. Stranger

Sure I do. I know it now. (John 3:18) (Rom. 8:33-34) Yes, I have gone through the judgement in Christ. He bore it all. Really? (John 1:13) Stranger

The prodigal is a picture of salvation. Of that I agree. It is not a picture of a loss of salvation. You are placing the prodigal in a saved state prior to his leaving. He wasn't in a saved state. He was in unmarred state as a son with the Father. He was not redeemed. To see the son...

I have seen your gymnastics with the Greek before. Stranger

Jesus called the 12 unto Him. He sent them out two by two. It doesn't say Judas cast out demons. That the disciples did cast out demons and heal many, yes. It never indicates who did what. You don't know if everyone of them cast out a devil. But we do know Judas was a devil. (John 6:70)...

I agree that Jesus is the only and Last Adam. And He is the 2nd Man of the redeemed. Which means others such as you and I will be added to that number, because we came by faith to Christ and are born into His race. Yes the rest of mankind can be born into that race, but they must come to...

I agree, that is a place of condemnation. Such preaching leaves the believer beaten and cast down. And they preach such in the name of 'grace'. But I have found the grace they preach is not the grace of the Bible. It is nothing but law. And it kills you. Stranger