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When all the saved are safely inside the walls of Jerusalem as it descends from heaven to the earth, it is surrounded by all the wicked from all ages in history, and they are led by Satan in one last ditch attempt to actually try and take over the city. Fire them descends from heaven and takes...

And your joy in glory will be full knowing, and even approving that your mother and little sister are burning without dying? PS purely hypothetical of course...

Forever. The wages of sin is death. No resurrection.

"Please Report Heresy" I am sure many may get offended by the way I approach this subject, but I make no apologies for that. It's just me being transparently honest about that particular so called Christian doctrine. I hate it.

You said, "what a precious statement" in response to another poster confirming his absolute certainty of eternal torment as being a just reward for the wicked. I happen to be quite extreme in my personal despising of that particular doctrine, because of the damage it incurs upon the character of...

There are some in this forum who I would rank as genuine Bible scholars. You, Hidden, and one or two others. But it shocks and saddens me when I see you cleave to such a disgraceful belief that so totally misrepresents the God of the Bible. "More closely" does not cut it when compared to the...

It is an abominable heresy in that it assigns to God the most despicable of characters that sinful man can devise... Never ending torture. Anyone who believes that their God would even contemplate such a thing, have not asked Him His plans, but have believed Satan's lie that sinners don't really...

You're not getting it. It's eternal punishment... Not eternal punishing.

KJV Romans 6:23 23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. KJV Psalms 145:20 20 The LORD preserveth all them that love him: but all the wicked will he destroy. KJV Psalms 101:8 8 I will early destroy all the wicked of the land; that I...

What about in instances where the NT is in harmony and agrees with the old? What do you do then?

No end of subject matter here. Good to see you still kicking.

One reason I see that Jerusalem cannot be Babylon is that the powers spoken of in the NT are global in their impact. The first and second beasts in Revelation 13 are global powers... Their administrations have global effects... Babylon is the same. First Beast... KJV Revelation 13:3-4, 7 3 And I...

Most Christians have such a warped understanding of the character of the God they profess to love, it is a gargantuan miracle anyone comes to Him at all as a result of some Bible studies I've seen. God often simply by passes the teacher and convicts the person of sin despite the often erroneous...

I'm always doing that. Get half way through a post on my phone then a stray finger hits the "post reply" button. This untimely event then warrants a quick edit, but in the meantime it gets read... Pity posts aren't uplifted from the thread while edits are made.

The above had a long edit so suggest reading again for update.

So I haven't read every single contribution to this thread, because after the first two pages I had seen enough to realize that most here are overlooking the basics. There are three basic points I think we need to cleave to in communion with understanding prophecy. Everything under discussion...

But you know this event, the descent of the new Jerusalem, and the creation of the new earth, takes place at the end of the 1000 years right?

Nice to see you and I agree on something:)

@bbyrd009 nice to see you back my friend.

Brilliant.