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I think we need to sort out where people after death go to before judgment and after judgment.

Calling what is holy....evil.

Good points. God is merciful and He will have mercy on whom He wills. He doesn't need our approval for such. He IS sovereign. God is Lord over all peoples. "For God so loved the world".

Of course there is free will. It is limited to the choices we are presented. We choose God every day...or not. We are fully responsible for the lives we lead. Otherwise there would be no judgment after this life.

The bible speaks of an eternal darkness after judgment...as well.

Really? How so?

"APAK, post: 435141, member: 7755"]stunnedbygrace: It’s a relatively new Messianic concept. Actually Messianics hate any mention of Gentiles in regard to Israel. It goes like this: Ephraim being one of the lost 10 tribes of the Northern Kingdom, the major significant tribe, is now being...

As a disciple we are not trying to be justified by our own acts...but neither can we leave them off. We are seeking to enter into God's level of righteousness. We are seeking to walk in His power. It is available to us by faith. Humility, however, is a moving target. We can't judge the...

Hell is not a subject for this thread. But "our worm" is not us. Hell is the 2nd death....not the 2nd torment.

This thread is neither about heaven nor hell.

There are 2 kinds of righteousness. Ours and God's. Our righteousness consists of....humility, clean hands and a pure heart. (To God, repentance is an act of righteousness.) An attitude of surrender and submission....and finally a loving disposition. Practicing hospitality and charity. God's...

Read Hosea. The OT scriptures were the bible in the days of the early church. They are prophetic. Ephraim has many warnings...in this age. No need for warnings in the next age.

I'll try PM'ing you with it...

Actually the talent is an amount of grace in the analogy. What we do with that grace determines what happens to us. A talent is a very large amount of money. A lifetimes' worth. It is an advance. We are meant to make a return in character...or maturity...for the purity we have been given. To...

Not that again?!

I may have posted this vision on this site. It's called....the Mud people. I have put it on other sites.

i actually had a vision about this exact thing. I mean outer darkness.

For those who are IN Christ...yes. Again, the fire will reveal all.

That's what the Bema seat judgment will bring to light.

Just as their are different kinds of sins...so there are different kinds of torments.