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  1. Spiritual Israelite

    Can a tare become saved?

    LOL. Well, I guess we both do a good job of something when talking to each other. Not exactly what we're hoping for, though.
  2. Spiritual Israelite

    Can a tare become saved?

    Nope. Here's where we strongly disagree. In my view, it was prior to about 33 AD that there were different burdens on Jews than there were on Gentiles and there has never been different burdens on Jews than there were on Gentiles in the church because there is "neither Jew nor Gentile" in the...
  3. Spiritual Israelite

    All who are not taken up to meet the Lord in the air when He comes will be left behind and killed.

    I agree 100%. Well said. You make a great point here. He focuses a lot on exegetical principles, but never talks about the most important one, which is spiritual discernment from the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 2:9-16). One thing the Holy Spirit guides us to do is not just look at surrounding...
  4. Spiritual Israelite

    Can a tare become saved?

    I will say this much. You do a good job of illustrating why I don't like preterism. Part of the reason for that is because preterists seem to act as if history ended in 70 AD. But, guess what? Children of the kingdom and children of the devil still existed in the world after that and still do...
  5. Spiritual Israelite

    Can a tare become saved?

    I cannot understand what you are saying. What happened in 70 AD that caused someone who was in the church up until then to no longer be in the church? Please explain that. I think logically, also, and I don't believe your view makes any logical sense. So, apparently, there's more to this than...
  6. Spiritual Israelite

    Can a tare become saved?

    Who even understands your argument against that interpretation besides you?
  7. Spiritual Israelite

    Can a tare become saved?

    LOL! Exactly. I am regretting reading what he said beyond that. Not really. I'm kidding, but it certainly made no sense to me...well, he quoted 1 John 3:8-10 and that makes sense to me, but nothing he said about it does.
  8. Spiritual Israelite

    Can a tare become saved?

    I'm sorry, but I can't even begin to make sense of what you're saying here. To the point that I don't even know how to respond to it other than to just say I completely disagree that anything said in 1 John 3:8-10 would suggest that the children of the kingdom and children of the devil stopped...
  9. Spiritual Israelite

    All who are not taken up to meet the Lord in the air when He comes will be left behind and killed.

    We are just repeating ourselves at this point. Nothing new is being brought to the table. The bottom line here is that you have no reasonable explanation for any rewards having been given when Jesus supposedly returned in 70 AD, so that is a MAJOR weakness in your interpretation of the parable...
  10. Spiritual Israelite

    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    Have you been following the whole discussion? You seem to not be understanding the point I was making there. David was arguing that it doesn't make sense to believe that Jesus was talking about things related to His future second coming and the end of the age up until Matthew 24:14 and then...
  11. Spiritual Israelite

    The Jerusalem which is above is the heavenly city of promise which God has prepared for His saints

    What is your point here exactly? I'm already aware that the word has multiple definitions, so you don't need to tell me that. One of the definitions is in relation to melting or destroying physical things. It's not used to describe annihilating things and I'm not even saying that, if that's what...
  12. Spiritual Israelite

    The Jerusalem which is above is the heavenly city of promise which God has prepared for His saints

    Not "will be". It is where His throne IS. Ephesians 1:19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power, 20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly...
  13. Spiritual Israelite

    A proof that the 1000 year reign of Christ with His people is in the heavenly throne room, not the earth

    Both 1 Thess 5:2 and 2 Thess 1:7 refer to the same specific day of the Lord. In 1 Thess 5:2 Paul makes it clear that "sudden destruction" accompanies the unexpected arrival of the day of the Lord. In no way, shape or form did Paul teach that the day of the Lord is a "period of time". A period of...
  14. Spiritual Israelite

    ANOTHER FACTOR THAT PROVES AMIL FALSE, PAUL WISHED FOR A RESURRECTION OF THE UNJUST ALSO

    Can you please not reply to multiple people in the same post? It makes things confusing. I saw the notification of your reply to me and clicked on it and it brought me to your post. At first, I thought your reply to the other person was to me and I was confused as I had never said anything to...
  15. Spiritual Israelite

    Can a tare become saved?

    That isn't a problem at all. I am allowing scripture to interpret scripture. Jesus said the tares are the children of the wicked one (devil). Other sccripture indicates that all unrepentant sinners are children of the devil. Therefore, the tares represent all the unsaved. Why are you willing to...
  16. Spiritual Israelite

    Can a tare become saved?

    I know that. I'm trying to get him to see that what verse 41 means is the same thing as verse 49 says in the parable of the fishing net. It's not a case of the tares being in His kingdom and taken out of it at the end of the age. It's a case of the children of the wicked one (the wicked) being...
  17. Spiritual Israelite

    The Jerusalem which is above is the heavenly city of promise which God has prepared for His saints

    Right. He will change ashes and piles of bones into glorious and immortal spiritual bodies when Jesus returns at the last trumpet, so I'm sure He can change melted things into something glorious as well.
  18. Spiritual Israelite

    The Jerusalem which is above is the heavenly city of promise which God has prepared for His saints

    This is a present spiritual reality for all Christians. Ephesians 2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, 5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved; ) 6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit...
  19. Spiritual Israelite

    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    LOL. No, it is not. Nothing is self evident when it comes to you. You are very evasive. Why can't you just answer the question? You come across like you have things to hide. So, should I assume that you think all of Revelation 2 and 3 happens twice? Should I assume you believe that the...