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Says the guy who admitted to believing something largely because the majority believes it (Jesus going to Hades when He died). Talk about a partisan interpretation.

We know in the future that Jesus will come and receive us bodily to Himself, right? Why would John 14 not be about that?

If the new covenant is not yet in effect then how are we saved and how are our sins forgiven? Matthew 26:27 Then He took the cup, and after He gave thanks, He gave it to them, saying, “Drink of it, all of you. 28 For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the...

It obviously is! What are you talking about? It was put into effect immediately when HE died on the cross! 2 Corinthians 3:4 Such confidence we have through Christ before God. 5 Not that we are competent in ourselves to claim anything for ourselves, but our competence comes from God. 6 He has...

If scripture says that something has already been fulfilled, such as Jesus putting the new covenant into effect with His shed blood while at the same time making the old covenant and animal sacrifices obsolete forever, that should be our starting point. Whatever the passage means, it can't be...

There's nothing wrong with confidence. Prove it then. Why won't you address my arguments? I'm addressing yours.

That was only His body, not His spirit! The heart of the earth refers to the grave, not the spiritual realm. The spiritual realm is located apart from the earth. There's no reason to think that the souls and spirits of dead believers weren't taken to paradise the day Jesus died. When He died...

Exactly. I'll never understand why some people do not differentiate between the body and the soul (and spirit).

That passage is talking about His bodily second coming when He will come and receive His church to Himself "in the air (1 Thess 4:14-17). That is not about Him coming to gather our soul and spirit when we die. Jesus said this before His death, so He was only saying no one had ascended there up...

I stand by what I said and I don't find your arguments to be convincing at all. It's time to just agree to disagree.

I'm not changing anything. Do you deny that spiritual discernment from the Holy Spirit is ever needed to help understand the Word of God? 1 Corinthians 2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. 11 For what man...

I address many different posts, so stop being a narcissist while acting like I should give yours the priority over all others. I've already made my point and nothing you said refutes it. Not everything written is explained as to what exactly it means, so we need spiritual discernment. If...

If "the house" only represented the demon possessed man that Jesus cast the demons out of, then what were the strong man's "goods"? 1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy...

He went to Abraham's bosom, not Hades/hell. Why would He go to Hades/hell? For what purpose exactly? Who is saying otherwise? His spirit went there, not his body. Do you not differentiate between the spirit and the body?

What else does the following mean? Luke 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise. Yes, that's' what he's saying and is what I believe as well. What does "a full human experience of death" mean? He took the spirits of OT believers who were...

Jesus referred to Hades, which is also translated as "hell", a place of torments for the unsaved dead. From where do you get the idea that Abraham's bosom was part of Hades? Jesus indicated that there was "a great gulf" between Hades and Abraham's bosom, so He differentiated between Hades and...

Psalm 8:6 is a prophecy. Paul quoted the fulfillment of Psalm 8:6 and applied it to all things having been placed under Jesus's feet. Hebrews 2:8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But...

Which scriptures are those? Edit: I see you said that Scott had referenced them previously. I see that he referenced this passage... Ephesians 4:7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ. 8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led...

Agree. Where does it say His spirit ever descended to Hades/hell which Jesus differentiated from Abraham's bosom in Luke 16:19-31? I believe His spirit went to Abraham's bosom and then brought the souls and spirits of those who were there, including Abraham himself, the beggar Lazarus and all...

Revelation is not just a history book. Obviously, it contains references to historical events that took place in the first century in the seven churches and, obviously, the future second coming of Christ will be a historical event, but the book also contains some spiritual truths that have been...